Paying tithing online....SLC having a change of heart

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Re: Paying tithing online....Salt Lake City having a change

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Pahoran wrote:
Note that Temple Recommends can be (and routinely are) granted to people who pay no tithing at all.

Regards,
Pahoran


I call BS. And CFR.

AND if, and that is a big if, you are right, that is BS as well. Does that mean its all about who you know? As long as you have the right last name, no need to follow the rules. ..we got your back.

Utter BS.
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Re: Paying tithing online....Salt Lake City having a change

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cwald wrote:
Pahoran wrote:
Note that Temple Recommends can be (and routinely are) granted to people who pay no tithing at all.

Regards,
Pahoran


I call b***s***. And CFR.

AND if, and that is a big if, you are right, that is b***s*** as well. Does that mean its all about who you know? As long as you have the right last name, no need to follow the rules. ..we got your back.

Utter b***s***.


He is just referring to people who have no income to pay tithing on. Missionaries are a good example. I think he knows the bishop is not allowed to issue a TR for anyone who is not a full tithe payer.
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Pahoran,
your schtick is pretty worn out. You pretend "not to get it", chronically. Recently you accused me of dishonesty when I said that BYU would have success selling caffeinated coke...we all get it, but you pretend not to.

I have no interest in playing connect the dots for you.
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No more paying a tithe without the local bishop knowing how much you donate each year.


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i do have the paper work needed to start paying tithing and other contributions online, if any one is interested.
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Re: Paying tithing online....Salt Lake City having a change

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bcspace wrote:
No more paying a tithe without the local bishop knowing how much you donate each year.


You're obviously not ready to live the Law of Consecration.


Considering some of your extreme views, neither are you.
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3sheets2thewind wrote:i do have the paper work needed to start paying tithing and other contributions online, if any one is interested.


I pay online...my portion of upkeep...bills, carpet etc...but if the church takes down the links And deemphasis this option...because they feel they are losing "control"....the hell with them.
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Re: Paying tithing online....Salt Lake City having a change

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Racer wrote:
Pahoran wrote:Okay, so baptising, blessing the Sacrament, Father's blessings, blessing and anointing the sick, naming and blessing children or dedicating graves, among other ordinances, don't require that the person acting as voice be a Temple Recommend holder (or TR worthy).

And someone who doesn't qualify to act as voice can still stand in the circle for the shorter list of ordinances where the TR qualification applies.

Note that Temple Recommends can be (and routinely are) granted to people who pay no tithing at all.


Wrong sir. Wrong. Did you read my post above?

Yes I did, but the cited documentation does not include naming and blessing of babies in the list.

Racer wrote:I have also attended many baby blessings of friends and family members at different wards where the Bishop met with those standing in the circle before the meeting to inquire if all those in the circle had current recommends. Those that didn't were not able to stand in the circle, myself included. I think most Bishops don't care and let it slide, but this definitely has happened to me a few times over the last 5 years. I was never allowed a TR for any of this. The main thing that kept me from a TR was tithing.

The Bishop may have misinterpreted the instruction. What I was told -- and which the cited source confirms -- is that the worthiness requirement only applies to the person acting as voice.

That said, it is reasonable for the bishop to assure himself that the other participants are actual Church members and ordained Priesthood holders, because contrary to one ubercynical comment I've seen, Priesthood authority is of course the key point; and if someone is a stranger to the Bishop (i.e. visiting from outside his ward) then sighting the Temple Recommend is the simplest way to determine that; but if they don't have one, and if there is time, a phone call to the participant's home ward should suffice.

But it doesn't hurt to remember that ultimately all ordinances performed in a ward are under the authority of the Bishop, and it's up to him to see that they are done in order.

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Themis wrote:He is just referring to people who have no income to pay tithing on. Missionaries are a good example. I think he knows the bishop is not allowed to issue a TR for anyone who is not a full tithe payer.

Right and right.

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Pahoran wrote:
Themis wrote:He is just referring to people who have no income to pay tithing on. Missionaries are a good example. I think he knows the bishop is not allowed to issue a TR for anyone who is not a full tithe payer.

Right and right.

Regards,
Pahoran


Clever. Nice going, completely took the information out of context...and redirected the arguementt to make the church look good. I can see you are a learned and seasoned monapolgetic. Good job. You are beacon of integrity for the church.
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