A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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liz3564 wrote:
Gadianton wrote:by the way, Reverend Jackson responded to the review....

Someone should email him and invite him to our forum, where a man who worked hard for his degree can get some respect.

Do you have a link to his response? I would be interested in reading it.

http://drandrewjackson.com/

http://www.epc.org/about-the-epc/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelica ... ted_States)

He's with the Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Too conservative for the mainstream Presbyterian Church USA, but it allows a local option to ordain women.

Here are links to the project-thesis requirements for a D.Min. at Gordon-Conwell. And note, his seminary is calling it a project-thesis, I think Jackson is puffing when he calls it a dissertation in his MI comment. But it would have been a hell of a lot more independent research and writing than Hedelius ever for her JD. On the other hand, its not the kind of primary research with an expection to discover some new thing (however small) that's needed for a Ph.D. dissertation.

http://www.gordonconwell.edu/doctor-min ... rogram.cfm

http://www.gordonconwell.edu/doctor-min ... uation.cfm
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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I wonder if Hedelius now regrets having submitted the piece to MI? I'm told, but have not checked for myself, that she has made it so no one can read her blog--i.e., the material that 3Sheets cited above. Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that Louis "Woody" Midgley--a man Hedelius calls "a titan"--was slithering through 7-year-old posts dealing with undergraduate co-ed sex so that he could include it in his MI article?

In any case, I hope that Hedelius has the temerity to respond to Rev. Jackson's comments.
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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3sheets2thewind wrote:
At about 6:00 pm on Thursday evening, I started and nearly pinched myself.I sat ina chair, in a circle/clump with several others, participating and being respectfully heard in a conversation that ranged over a wide variety of topics that fascinate me. The others? Oh, just a few titans: Dan Peterson, Matt Roper, Lou Midgley,Brant Gardner,Craig Foster,Michael Ash, etc. Good. Heavens. Dear ApologeticGeek Paradise, I thoroughly enjoyed my stay.

I joined FAIR about a year and a half ago, basically by accident, and have been waiting ever since for them to notice that I don't belong in the pantheon.
I'm a better actor than I thought,as they saw fit to bestow honor on me. I was flattered and flustered utterly, but even more relieved that they broke tradition to bestow two awards, the other on Steve Densley, who deserves it on an epic and super-human scale.

Much of life is puzzlingandunpleasantly agley from our best laid plans, but I've scored an undeniablebullseye here. My temperament,interests,needs, andtalents are nearly perfectly fulfilled in this little apologetics hobby of mine.I'm grateful every day.


I have a few questions here. First, does she post on MDD? She must, right? Or else she's involved in FAIR activities in some other capacity--e.g., on the FAIR Wiki?

Second, what on earth does this mean?:

My temperament,interests,needs, andtalents are nearly perfectly fulfilled in this little apologetics hobby of mine.
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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Doctor Scratch wrote:I wonder if Hedelius now regrets having submitted the piece to MI? I'm told, but have not checked for myself, that she has made it so no one can read her blog--i.e., the material that 3Sheets cited above. Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that Louis "Woody" Midgley--a man Hedelius calls "a titan"--was slithering through 7-year-old posts dealing with undergraduate co-ed sex so that he could include it in his MI article?

In any case, I hope that Hedelius has the temerity to respond to Rev. Jackson's comments.


Yes, she has blocked access, but not google cache

August 2012 Fair Weather, announces she is in the patheon with the titans

Felicity (announces her contributor status with FAIR

only the Mormons targeted prop 8 after math


baiscally, just google the following:

deeponderousthoughts.blogspot.com/20**

** insert a year, she has blog posts bag to 2008 so make the last two characters a year

alternatively for specific months google

deepponderousthoughts.blogspot.com/20**/##

**year
## insert two digit month
Example: deepponderousthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/02

alternative alternative

deepponderousthoughts.blogspot.com/20**/##/@@@

**two digit year
## two digit mont
@@@ title-of-particular-blog-with-hyphen-separating-every-word


For a moment I thought she might be zeta-flux from MDDB, and she could be. Zeta-flux is prone to post legal arguments/analysis.
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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Defender of The Mall

http://www.fairblog.org/2012/03/30/city-creek-mall/

Attacker of Hitchens

http://www.examiner.com/article/hitchen ... ut-mormons

Award winner

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... -fair.html

Supporter of LDS women

http://www.fairblog.org/2011/05/30/amer ... (FAIR+Blog)

She's carved out quite a little niche for herself, when's she not busy practicing "business law for profit," not that the area lends itself well to pro bono work.
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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Wow! Reverend Jackson really came out swinging in his rebuttals:

Reverend Jackson wrote:I assume that Cassandra is a very nice person, but her review of my book is simply an axe job, a diatribe of accusative words/assumptions, and common warn-out LDS arguments. It seems like she simply “cut and paste” this review together by what she found on the internet. A typical example of her writing style is her statement: “Many use the ‘some of my best friends are . . . ‘ gambit.” I would hope that MI could have found someone with formal biblical/historical education to review my book, it would have been a little more honorable. Although she likes to point out the non-Mormon sources I cite in my numerous end-notes to disqualify my book, she does not address the fact that the whole book is based on Mormon sources found throughout the end-notes. One thing this review did do, it revealed to me why she only “researches and writes about Mormonism FOR PLEASURE.” By the way, my specialized D.Min. did include writing and defending a dissertation.


Reverend Jackson wrote:Dr. Andrew Jackson on October 8, 2012 at 9:15 am said:
James, I agree with your comment, but she certainly did not give a clear understanding of my book. Actually, I do not think she is biblically or historically qualified to do so. It seems as if her goal was to make sure no other Mormons read it. I would encourage people to read it for themselves, and not be discouraged by this distorted understanding of my book. In fact, if we had a proper public forum, I would like to debate Ms Hedelius on the content of my book. Is this possible?


Hmmm...I wonder if they would consent to going on John Dehlin's Mormon Stories podcast for a debate. It would be interesting.
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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Wow, so niether she or MI, bothered to fact check before publishing accusations.
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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I wouldn't say he came out swinging. I think his comments are quite temperate.

Reverend Jackson wrote:It seems like she simply “cut and paste” this review together by what she found on the internet.


He isn't the first to make this accusation, just copy the last FARMS book review and change the names.

Reverend Jackson wrote:I would hope that MI could have found someone with formal biblical/historical education to review my book, it would have been a little more honorable.

Reverend Jackson wrote:Dr. Andrew Jackson on October 8, 2012 at 9:15 am said: Actually, I do not think she is biblically or historically qualified to do so.

Another issue that comes up here. How many Mormons are there with degrees from a seminary or a graduate degree from a religion department?

There just aren't enough Mormon scholars with the appropriate background to feed the maw of FARMS and now MI.

Jackson isn't swinging, he's just stating fact.


Reverend Jackson wrote:It seems as if her goal was to make sure no other Mormons read it.

I think the guy is right on. One of the major functions of FARMS and now it appears of MI is to create the Mormon banned book list.
Reverend Jackson wrote:In fact, if we had a proper public forum, I would like to debate Ms Hedelius on the content of my book. Is this possible?

I for one would not waste my time watching it, because I'm convinced Hedelius has nothing worthwhile to say.

Does she regret having posted? Naw, she doesn't know enough to know how little she knows.
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
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Re: A New Smear Piece in "Mormon Interpreter"

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Eh, just figured I would delete some of the links to her other blog posts.

She had one where she rated the republican candidates, romeny got a C+ from her and Ron Paul got an A-

Just follow the intructions from above and you can find all her blog posts.
Use deepponderousthoughts.blogspot.com/20**/## for the best results, she has a couple on homosexual issues.

My analysis of her is that she has all the arrogance, condescention, and false self assurance needed for the "pantheon"; a fitting analogy considering the the heathen gods were petty, trite and very much excusing their own behaviour.

Tis a shame that such is the type fair seeks after. And in Greek twist of fate, the FAIRisees named themselves quite succinctly after the self proclaimed arbiters of the gospel found in the New Testament.
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We have Mormon Scholars Testify and now we have MI's Mormon Scholars Review both are equally amateurish and lame.
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