Can a good Mormon be an Ayn Rand Objectivist?
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I would suggest that the elitism of the Temple endowment and the whole concept of Exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom, with the goal of obtaining the Abrahamic Convenant/Blessings for one's self is indeed right in line with Ayn Rand's Objectism.
It's all about me, it's all about achieving my exaltation.
It's all about me, it's all about achieving my exaltation.
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Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter.
Ayn Rand
Nobody is supplying quotes so I looked up an Ayn Rand quotes site. I agree with some statements others not so much. I was amused that I agree with this statement.
Ayn Rand
Nobody is supplying quotes so I looked up an Ayn Rand quotes site. I agree with some statements others not so much. I was amused that I agree with this statement.
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"Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values."
Ayn Rand
"Love is the expression of one's values, the greatest reward you can earn for the moral qualities you have achieved in your character and person, the emotional price paid by one man for the joy he receives from the virtues of another."
Ayn Rand
Some of the quotes were minor to trite.These I thought more serious. I believe my LDS seminary teacher would have agreed with the first one. I think it true to an extent but to narrow. I hope not to try to fit into such a narrow box.
I was wondering if the second quote sounds like LDS doctrine to others. Try picturing a humans love of God as the joy you receive from the virtue of God.
Aquinas might have gone along with that idea.
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I should have said my seminary teacher taught that with enthusiasm and I appreciated it.
Ayn Rand
"Love is the expression of one's values, the greatest reward you can earn for the moral qualities you have achieved in your character and person, the emotional price paid by one man for the joy he receives from the virtues of another."
Ayn Rand
Some of the quotes were minor to trite.These I thought more serious. I believe my LDS seminary teacher would have agreed with the first one. I think it true to an extent but to narrow. I hope not to try to fit into such a narrow box.
I was wondering if the second quote sounds like LDS doctrine to others. Try picturing a humans love of God as the joy you receive from the virtue of God.
Aquinas might have gone along with that idea.
edit,
I should have said my seminary teacher taught that with enthusiasm and I appreciated it.
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I despise the philosophies of the narcissist Ayn Rand.
I keep trying to be more charitable about her views, but I simply can't bring myself to do so.
My apologies to those who find inspiration in her work, but I simply cannot go there.
I keep trying to be more charitable about her views, but I simply can't bring myself to do so.
My apologies to those who find inspiration in her work, but I simply cannot go there.
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RockSlider wrote:I would suggest that the elitism of the Temple endowment and the whole concept of Exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom, with the goal of obtaining the Abrahamic Convenant/Blessings for one's self is indeed right in line with Ayn Rand's Objectism.
It's all about me, it's all about achieving my exaltation.
I know virtually nothing about this Ayn person but your comment still resonates with me. As a TBM, I did not share that view about the endowment.
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Kishkumen wrote:I despise the philosophies of the narcissist Ayn Rand.
I keep trying to be more charitable about her views, but I simply can't bring myself to do so.
My apologies to those who find inspiration in her work, but I simply cannot go there.
I incline to think of her as a second lieutenant in his Satanic majesties secret service. It can still be interesting to consider values she articulates to compare to clearer ones.Back a few posts I expressed a curiosity about ways her values could harmonize with Mormon values. I was wondering why that would happen. It is possible a quote comparison could reveal something about that. It is also possible it would reveal little. She might say a number of things I agree with. They are common enough to fit all sorts of views. Other quotes may be more central to her views and difficult to agree with.
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"Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law."
Ayn Rand
I respect this quote a great deal. I do not for a minute believe one has to accept the whole Rand song and dance to believe this statement. It is valuable regardless of her system.
Ayn Rand
I respect this quote a great deal. I do not for a minute believe one has to accept the whole Rand song and dance to believe this statement. It is valuable regardless of her system.
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I'm not going to spend any time learning about Ayn. I'm more interesting in learning about Picasso being a communist, which is news to me.
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Before I can answer that question, I need to know:
What part/parts of Ayn Rand's philosophy is/are incorrect, if any?
What part/parts of Ayn Rand's philosophy is/are incorrect, if any?
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Dr. Shades wrote:Before I can answer that question, I need to know:
What part/parts of Ayn Rand's philosophy is/are incorrect, if any?
Where does correctness land in the philosophical landscape?
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