I don't think I'm missing out

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_Gadianton
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Re: I don't think I'm missing out

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Am I depriving myself? I don't think so.


Yes, you are depriving yourself, because all of that will not convince Droopy in the slightest that you are a good person or not a vicious anti-Mormon.

You can do everything on that list and leave the church, as long as you come to this forum and get angry at liberals. Heck, if you were to do nothing more than accuse EA of being a liberal wolf in a libertarian sheep's clothing, he's forgive half your faults.
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LOL jeebus. It's just a glass of wine, beer, cigar (tobacco), or cup of coffee. We're not even talking real crazy here, all the stuff we're talking has been staples of civilization for thousands of years.

You will never know if you're missing out or not until you try them. Most people try it in their early teens and then kind of confine it to social settings as they get older, as they're all social lubricants that do their jobs well. You do alcohol or tobacco alone you'll be disappointed and it usually can turn negative and addictive. In social settings they make a huge difference making anything more enjoyable and memorable in a positive way.
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Re: I don't think I'm missing out

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Harold Lee wrote:LOL jeebus. It's just a glass of wine, beer, cigar (tobacco), or cup of coffee. We're not even talking real crazy here, all the stuff we're talking has been staples of civilization for thousands of years.

You will never know if you're missing out or not until you try them. Most people try it in their early teens and then kind of confine it to social settings as they get older, as they're all social lubricants that do their jobs well. You do alcohol or tobacco alone you'll be disappointed and it usually can turn negative and addictive. In social settings they make a huge difference making anything more enjoyable and memorable in a positive way.


I think this is unfair. He clearly has tried the things he's interested in (beer, drinks coffee occasionally), and it's not like he's got a judgmental attitude toward people that enjoy things he's not interested in. It behooves us to afford him the same respect.

There's nothing wrong with a person just not being interested in things that many of the rest of us enjoy and first-hand experience isn't always required in order for a person to make informed decisions about what things will improve their life experience. There are hundreds of things I'll never try just because I'm not the least bit interested and that's perfectly legitimate. For example, I'll never take up scrap-booking. I just don't see anything for me there. I'm a photographer and I invest my work in the quality of the photos I produce. I have no desire to spend hours with paper and glue and markers and stamps and all of that. But, there are scrapbooking aficionados (my sisters in law, for three) who would like to say that I'm missing out on a better way of living. Whatever. I'm not going to drop a dime or a minute to find out, when that dime could go toward a better wide-angle lens and that minute could be spent doing other things I already know are interesting to me.

It's not like better-living-through-substances is the one-and-only key to a good life or anything. Plus it just isn't true that they make everything more enjoyable and memorable in a positive way. Sometimes they just get in the way-- even in small amounts. Not everyone needs or wants a "social lubricant" to have a good time, and some people have healthier ways of coping with stress. It's not a character deficiency.

Further, avoiding tobacco is generally a good rule considering health. I've had my share of cigarettes in my drunker moments, but they hardly made my life better and I didn't have to try them in order to know that whatever perceived benefits they might offer probably wouldn't be worth the downsides. And I'm not judgy about smoking-- my best friends are all smokers and I've done a fair bit of it myself. But, I certainly would never suggest that there's something wrong with someone who never had the desire to take it up, especially considering that most smokers I know wish they had never started. Some lessons you don't have to learn for yourself.

Of course you're welcome to disagree for yourself, but Bob is the only one in a position to know whether he's satisfied or not.
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Harold Lee wrote:LOL jeebus. It's just a glass of wine, beer..



Yeah, that's what the mates of Alexander Godunov said...
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Re: I don't think I'm missing out

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Gadianton wrote:Yes, you are depriving yourself, because all of that will not convince Droopy in the slightest that you are a good person or not a vicious anti-Mormon.

You can do everything on that list and leave the church, as long as you come to this forum and get angry at liberals. Heck, if you were to do nothing more than accuse EA of being a liberal wolf in a libertarian sheep's clothing, he's forgive half your faults.


I don't care about Droopy. It just hit me that I really am quite inexperienced in the ways of the world. I don't think it's a bad thing.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS

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Harold Lee wrote:LOL jeebus. It's just a glass of wine, beer, cigar (tobacco), or cup of coffee. We're not even talking real crazy here, all the stuff we're talking has been staples of civilization for thousands of years.

You will never know if you're missing out or not until you try them. Most people try it in their early teens and then kind of confine it to social settings as they get older, as they're all social lubricants that do their jobs well. You do alcohol or tobacco alone you'll be disappointed and it usually can turn negative and addictive. In social settings they make a huge difference making anything more enjoyable and memorable in a positive way.


I've made no judgments about people who do use those things. I drink coffee because I like it. I don't drink beer because I didn't like it the five or six times I've tried it. Not a big deal.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS

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Re: I don't think I'm missing out

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Hello Bob :smile:
Bob Loblaw wrote:
It just hit me that I really am quite inexperienced in the ways of the world.


Yes, as far as the 'ways of the world' go, you are indeed!

I don't think it's a bad thing.


Nor do I!
It simply and only is what it is (No more, no less)

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Re: I don't think I'm missing out

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angsty wrote:It's not like better-living-through-substances is the one-and-only key to a good life or anything.
You are right it's not the key. To me it just adds to the fun.
Plus it just isn't true that they make everything more enjoyable and memorable in a positive way.

What negitive way are you thinking? Saying something you wish you hadn't said under the infuence? Having a hangover?
Sometimes they just get in the way-- even in small amounts.
What do you mean by this?
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Re: I don't think I'm missing out

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Bob Loblaw wrote:Am I depriving myself? I don't think so.
Hi Bob,
Your description of how you live your life is very identical to how mine was prior to leaving the church. I was a very obedient Mormon girl (and woman) and I'm actually proud of that. I believed and I lived what I believed.

You are not depriving yourself if this is how you still choose to live your life.

I know that I will never use drugs or get high and I also know I'm very happy and fulfilled only having sex with my husband....and so on.

However, I do love a nice glass of wine with my dinner a few nights a week and I've even enjoyed smoking a cigar along with it (I know....I'm a very naughty girl....at least that's how I felt at first). I've always loved the smell of cigars and my husband gets the very best. I only indulge maybe once a month with those, but I do love the evenings my husband and I sit out alone and laugh, talk, drink wine and have a cigar together.

How does your wife feel about social drinking? If she's not on board with that, then leave it alone. It's not real fun to drink alone.

Sounds like your life is the way you like it and it works for you.

The one thing that I love the most about my post-Mormon life has to be the new pretty lingerie (better even than wine). Oh how I love NOT wearing garments. This is probably my husband's favorite part too!
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Re: I don't think I'm missing out

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Madison54 wrote: The one thing that I love the most about my post-Mormon life has to be the new pretty lingerie (better even than wine). Oh how I love NOT wearing garments. This is probably my husband's favorite part too!


I wear my garments because, as a wolf in sheep's clothing, I have to project a good image. Besides, it doesn't feel right giving patriarchal blessings if I'm not wearing them. :wink:
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS

"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
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