Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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consiglieri wrote:She feels it important to go to church for our sixteen year old daughter's sake. That is the main reason I am still there.

We will have a 16 year old soon. There is always a concern about how our children will do. There is worry that our children will start having sex and doing drugs and partying like a Ke$ha. Just the other day, my dad called and quized me on what activities our kids were involved in. He then proceeded to inform me of all the church activities my TBM nieces and nephews are in. At the end, he threw in the little reminder of how great it was that I used to teach EQ - showing how the church provides so much life support.

Without the church, where would we be? In prison? lazy asses? What? There is obviously a reason we need our volatile and experimental teens in church, right?
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Sethbag wrote:Well you really showed her.


I don't want to be too confrontational about this, but it sounds a little rude for you to sit in the back of someone's class and read your own book instead of paying attention to the teacher. I have an idea. If you don't like what the teacher has to say then do what many of us have done and stop going. Sitting in the back contemptuously not paying attention is a little passive-aggressive, don't you think? Don't you think the teacher knows you're doing it, and is reading your message loud and clear that you think you're a lot smarter than she is? Isn't it a little rude to do that?

You've seen how vacuous and empty the church's lessons are. You have complained about them for years on this board. If the church sucks this bad, what is still drawing you to it, like a moth to the flame? If it's really true then maybe you're doing it wrong and should show the church a lot more respect, and if it's not really true, then why are you still playing the game at all?



Here, here.....thumbs up on this post. :exclaim:
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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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liz3564 wrote:[

AMEN! If we are evolving into just another Presbyterian sect, then let's act like one, and have Sacrament Meeting and go home for the rest of the day. I think the Catholics have the right idea. They can go to Mass on either Saturday or Sunday. It is an hour long service, and they are good for the week.


Not quite. A good catholic should be saying the rosary every day. Also, a devout catholic should attend Mass more than once a week. There are daily Masses every day. And then there are days of obligation and feast days and lent. But yes, most catholics attend one Mass a week, if that.
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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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consiglieri wrote:
All the Best!

--Consiglieri


Raise your hand and make a comment. Jeezzzz....the sitting in silence in class seems to be the board trademark.
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why me wrote:
consiglieri wrote:
All the Best!

--Consiglieri


Raise your hand and make a comment. Jeezzzz....the sitting in silence in class seems to be the board trademark.


When you raise your hand in class and ask an uncorrelated type question, regardless of what you say, the class and teacher hears "I'm an apostate and I look at porn".

Why are uncorrelated questions shunned?
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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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consiglieri wrote:I followed a similar path, Infymus.

I remember during the 1980's reading book after book on LDS Doctrine, struggling to learn things and finding myself blocked at virtually every turn.

I learned early to not expect anything from GA books and so avoided them.

What I ended up doing was reading the same things over and over again. I valued books by Joseph Fielding McConkie because he was capable of fresh insights here and there, though they were imbedded in books containing the same old thing. But the drudgery was worth it to me to find the nuggets.


I spent a great deal of time doing exactly this. I read everything I could get my hands on. I must have spent several thousand dollars on every new book that came out from a GA. I also read Joseph F. Smith, Bruce McConkie, Ezra Benson, Spencer Kimball, a great deal of time with James E. Talmage, studied all of the prophets, was greatly confused by the school of the prophets and much of what was in the JOD... I even got into BS sold by Deseret Book like The Prophecies of Joseph Smith by Duane Crowther. This author exaggerated the prophecies made by Joseph Smith, but they were tiny nuggets I wanted to see. I was sick of all the thee, thou, thine crap.

I even got into Covey - I was looking for answers and I found .. Nothing. Once in a while a small nugget of information, but really each book I got post 1980 was virtually the same thing. Regurgitated talks - over and over and over. A GA would come out with a book that had some small personal things in it - and then 90% of the book would just be a whole bunch of quotes from other GAs or the Book of Mormon. I got really tired of the rehash and latter 90's, I stopped buying their books completely.

None of these guys had the answers I was looking for. The answers actually started coming when I began reading literature outside of Mormonism. Psychology, philosophy from non Mormon authors. I began to see the difference between the payment model of Mormonism - to the true facts of non Mormonism. Mormonism hinged on the fact that ALL blessings only came with a full payment of tithing and complete faith and non sin. Any new sin just added or reactivated the old sin. It was a depressing cycle.

It wasn't until a year or two after I left Mormonism that the real stuff became available to me. RFM really opened my eyes. It's the primary reason I created the Mormon Curtain - to cull all of that information and put it in one highly categorized place. When I left Mormonism I gave away over a dozen boxes of Books to my Mormon neighbors - except two from Spencer Kimball - for which I destroyed as nobody should have to read that horrible tripe.

I am amazed you stay in there and listen to the cog dis. The obvious manipulations. The regurgitated talks. The watered down doctrine. The cycle of depression Mormonism brings. I couldn't do it. I would get up and walk straight out and just face the issues it would bring with my family. But that's me. It's the same reason why now I avoid going into a Mormon chapel if I can absolutely avoid it. I was in a ward house in September to attend the funeral of my murdered brother this year. Was a beautiful service until the Bishop got up at the end and droned on about the Mormon heaven, eternal life, temples, plan of salvation and all that claptrap. And it just brought back those memories.

Best of luck as you stick it out.
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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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Learning about Mormonism gives one a stupor of thought until one researches using non official sources...hmmm...what would Moroni say...
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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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zeezrom wrote:...Just the other day, my dad called and quized me on what activities our kids were involved in. He then proceeded to inform me of all the church activities my TBM nieces and nephews are in. At the end, he threw in the little reminder of how great it was that I used to teach EQ...

I feel bad for publishing this. Very likely, my father was only trying to learn more about his grandkids, since we moved away. This was actually a pretty rude thing for me to say.
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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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zeezrom wrote:
zeezrom wrote:...Just the other day, my dad called and quized me on what activities our kids were involved in. He then proceeded to inform me of all the church activities my TBM nieces and nephews are in. At the end, he threw in the little reminder of how great it was that I used to teach EQ...

I feel bad for publishing this. Very likely, my father was only trying to learn more about his grandkids, since we moved away. This was actually a pretty rude thing to say.


It doesn't surprise me. I see this all the time. It is a product of Mormon thinking. You can't be good or moral without Mormonism. Your kids can't grow up good or moral without Mormonism. Plus throw in a whole bag of guilt, "we miss you", and some love bombs.

I wouldn't take it personally even though it is an emotional jab. Mormons are programmed this way. Members can be very pervasive and often downright manipulating. They can't think outside of Mormonism. It is very cult like thinking.
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Re: Another Sad Day in Sunday School

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For clarity, I mean to say:

I feel bad for publishing this. Very likely, my father was only trying to learn more about his grandkids since we moved away. This was actually a pretty rude thing for me to say.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

The Holy Sacrament.
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