LDSToronto wrote:Question: What wine goes best with a missionary roasting? A bold, full bodied malbec? Or a crisp, dry riesling? Perhaps wine isn't the way to go - maybe a black stout to lend courage followed by a bitter and toasty pale ale to lighten the palate? It is the Christmas season, so I could serve nog, rum balls and whisky spice cake, and gingerbread men for any teetotallers. Would I offend by asking a Mormon man to eat a cookie shaped like a man?
You realize, of course, because you are a smart man, that this plays right into the hands of the Brethren? That this behavior will simply cement the Brethren's explanation of why people leave the church, in the minds of those missionaries? No other explanation or reason will ever penetrate their minds, since you are a classic example of someone who left the church in order to sin.
If you really want to mess with their minds, you'll either politely decline or politely listen and then politely decline. Offering them alcohol will simply make any comments or discussion you make null and void.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Fellow boarders - I will, of course, be courteous to the young fellas. But bare in mind the following: the LDS church has no problem giving power and authority to 18 year old boys to preach the gospel and to baptize. In fact, the title 'Elder' implies an apostolic authority (and I've read this, I can't find a reference at the moment). If the ward council is going to put their faith in two boys to come speak to a high priest twice their age, well, I let's just give them the opportunity to exercise God's power.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
LDSToronto wrote:Question: What wine goes best with a missionary roasting? A bold, full bodied malbec? Or a crisp, dry riesling? Perhaps wine isn't the way to go - maybe a black stout to lend courage followed by a bitter and toasty pale ale to lighten the palate? It is the Christmas season, so I could serve nog, rum balls and whisky spice cake, and gingerbread men for any teetotallers. Would I offend by asking a Mormon man to eat a cookie shaped like a man?
You realize, of course, because you are a smart man, that this plays right into the hands of the Brethren? That this behavior will simply cement the Brethren's explanation of why people leave the church, in the minds of those missionaries? No other explanation or reason will ever penetrate their minds, since you are a classic example of someone who left the church in order to sin.
If you really want to mess with their minds, you'll either politely decline or politely listen and then politely decline. Offering them alcohol will simply make any comments or discussion you make null and void.
I was joking, of course - I'd never offer tea, coffee, alcohol to the missionaries. But, I do have my wine rack near the dining area, which is in plain view of the sitting room. The Tassimo & Keurig are in plain site from the other living room. I don't expect that I will hide any of these things; they are guests in my home, though I am well aware they are expected to report back.
As for the way the conversation will go - harmony, I'm nothing if not a master of manipulation.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
why me wrote: I see. You obviously don't understand the new age of Mormonism: don't bother openly hostile exmormons who may claim that you are harassing them. If Ldst is as hostile in person as he is on the internet, the word has gotten around in the ward. Avoid him because he is not very welcoming.
I understand you don't know what your talking about once again.
Mormons do not give up on someone because he is hostile. They will look for other ways to fellowship rather than direct confrontation, like leaving a "I miss you" basket on the porch or finding a home teacher who will befriend him slowly or maybe send the missionaries by to see how he is doing. A past friend may come by to invite them to an Elders quorum party. Maybe they call the wife to invite her to a weekday luncheon or see if the kids can be involved in scouts. They don't give up. Some will try only once and stop while others will continue to seek ways to connect. A new bishop will try something the old one would not, a new ward mission leader may also. Members come and go and as long as you are on the ward members list there will always be someone willing to try.
If you had ever been active you would already know this.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
For the record, I had never, once, been openly and publicly hostile towards the church while attending church. I would bring up contrary views, but nothing worse than my friend consig would say. And, post-attendance, I was honest with any who would ask (family and non-member friends, remember, i'm being shunned) but I was never disrespectful.
I have lot's of ex-mo friends in real life, and it's no secret I hang out with them. If I'm honest about it, I think people are scared to find out why someone who served in high places fell into apostasy so quickly and with little warning.
Why Me's assumptions are so way off it is beyond funny.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
LDSToronto wrote:Why Me's assumptions are so way off it is beyond funny.
café crema wrote:I think that sums up Why Me's entire MDB posting career.
And other places too, evidenced by his being banned from so many.
Well, at least he is more acceptable than Droopy, who seems to have been banned from everywhere except this board!
But strangely enough, I don't have Droopy on ignore as I do whyme. I think the reason may be that however odd Droopy's posts are, they still retain the power to spark occasional interest, which whyme lost long, long ago (if he ever had it). Whatever Droopy may be, he is no mere chatbot like whyme.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
First, I am sorry to learn that you have been shunned.
Peace, Ceeboo
If he is shunned why are the missionaries visiting? Also, with his attitude toward Mormons and Mormonism, would you want to visit him if you were a Mormon?
Noooooo... I'd avoid LDS Toronto at all costs if I were a Mormon! Frankly, those kids have no idea what they're walking into..
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
why me wrote: If he is shunned why are the missionaries visiting? Also, with his attitude toward Mormons and Mormonism, would you want to visit him if you were a Mormon?
Noooooo... I'd avoid LDS Toronto at all costs if I were a Mormon! Frankly, those kids have no idea what they're walking into..
- Doc
They will be walking into my home, a place they requested to visit. They will be greeted with a handshake, cookies, and facts.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
