Tithing on SS & Unemployment?

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Re: Tithing on SS & Unemployment?

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café crema wrote:[
Well if it was a real event...it was apparently well known that the woman's money ran out before the end of the month, why didn't she show up with food isn't that what "relief society" folks are supposed to do?
So do these authors cut their teeth writing ridiculous maudlin stories for the Ensign and move on to work at Bonneville in their Heartsell department. God I just can't believe people read this stuff it's just awful, the same kind of crude emotional manipulation junk the JW's drop off.

Oh, I have no doubt the whole stomach-churning story was fabricated. But at least they injected an animalcule of conscience into the narrative. Damning with faint praise, I am.
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Re: Tithing on SS & Unemployment?

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Equality wrote:
café crema wrote:[
Well if it was a real event...it was apparently well known that the woman's money ran out before the end of the month, why didn't she show up with food isn't that what "relief society" folks are supposed to do?
So do these authors cut their teeth writing ridiculous maudlin stories for the Ensign and move on to work at Bonneville in their Heartsell department. God I just can't believe people read this stuff it's just awful, the same kind of crude emotional manipulation junk the JW's drop off.

Oh, I have no doubt the whole stomach-churning story was fabricated. But at least they injected an animalcule of conscience into the narrative. Damning with faint praise, I am.


I didn't see any conscience.
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café crema wrote:
Well if it was a real event...it was apparently well known that the woman's money ran out before the end of the month, why didn't she show up with food isn't that what "relief society" folks are supposed to do? If she really was a couple of days away from getting money and living on flour and water it speaks poorly of the "relief society".
So do these authors cut their teeth writing ridiculous maudlin stories for the Ensign and move on to work at Bonneville in their Heartsell department. God I just can't believe people read this stuff it's just awful, the same kind of crude emotional manipulation junk the JW's drop off.


Indeed. it really does seem unlikely that there is much that is true in this ridiculous little tale.

The question arises: what goes through the head of the person who is writing this kind of fantasy and passing it to the editor of the Ensign for publication? Presumably the same kind of thing that must have gone through the head of Paul H. Dunn before he stood up to tell one of his inspiring (but, as we now know, fictional) stories about himself in General Conference. It would be some mixture of these two modes of thought, I would guess:

1. The Church Is True and does so much good that we must be willing to fortify its members' loyalty and dedication by any means, including writing fiction and presenting it as truth. Anyhow, the story is essentially true because stuff like that happens all the time: I read about it in the Ensign.

2. Hey! If I give the editor a really good story, preferably with a poor widow in it, he may give me a salary raise. It's all crap anyway, so what the heck?

I wonder which mode dominated?
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I don't know ... in the case of my mother-in-law this could easily be a true story. If not they could interview her bishop and make it a true story.

You are underestimating the depth of indoctrination.
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I'll let you all know how goes my tithing settlement.

This is the first year I've paid almost nothing in tithing so I'm confident I'll be asked how am I making it and if I need assistance. It's because I earned it all last year, paid tithing on it, and am coasting this year on those funds I earned (and paid tithing on) last year while my business rebuilds it's financial stock this year.

I predict no further questions regarding my income will be asked and as always, no one will ask me to show any financial statements.

The business has and earns money, but of course I don't pay tithing on it until I draw a salary. As for tithing on SS, I pay tithing on gross. No one holding priesthood keys ever asks me in any type of interview if I'm gross or net or whatever. Or if I pay on this or that tax, fee, or gift. Or what my tax returns and pay stubs look like. No one ever will.
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bcspace wrote:I'll let you all know how goes my tithing settlement.

This is the first year I've paid almost nothing in tithing so I'm confident I'll be asked how am I making it and if I need assistance. It's because I earned it all last year, paid tithing on it, and am coasting this year on those funds I earned (and paid tithing on) last year while my business rebuilds it's financial stock this year.

I predict no further questions regarding my income will be asked and as always, no one will ask me to show any financial statements.

The business has and earns money, but of course I don't pay tithing on it until I draw a salary. As for tithing on SS, I pay tithing on gross. No one holding priesthood keys ever asks me in any type of interview if I'm gross or net or whatever. Or if I pay on this or that tax, fee, or gift. Or what my tax returns and pay stubs look like. No one ever will.


Don't see any reason to disbelieve bcspace's account - nor that of others with a different set of experiences. Bishops are unlikely to all be cut with the same cooky-cutter.
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Why does a "bishop" or any other leader need to even interview you with regard to tithing or any other payments to church?
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Albion wrote:Why does a "bishop" or any other leader need to even interview you with regard to tithing or any other payments to church?


It is called tithing settlement. It's a meeting where bishops are supposed to ask you if you are a full tithe payer. It is another way to guilt members into paying more.
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Don't see any reason to disbelieve bcspace's account - nor that of others with a different set of experiences. Bishops are unlikely to all be cut with the same cooky-cutter.


But they do get the same set of instructions, many of which are very very specific. It is a lot to learn, so yes, most Bishops will get something wrong from time to time, especially early in their calling. The Church is very keen to get tithing settlement right and the Bishops and BPs in all stakes get instruction by the Stake Presidency just prior. So I would generally find any claim of being asked financial details for tithing settlement to be made up.

Now sometimes a Bishop will want to see financials in welfare cases if the claimant is willing and that's the Bishop's perrogative. So for a claim about a Bishop asking for financials during tithing settlement to be true, it's going to have a welfare component.

Also, a swanky lifestyle in conjunction no tithe paying might trigger a Bishop to ask for proof. Why not? Covenants have been made and the Bishop judges for the Church as to whether or not these are being kept.
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bcspace wrote:Also, a swanky lifestyle in conjunction no tithe paying might trigger a Bishop to ask for proof. Why not? Covenants have been made and the Bishop judges for the Church as to whether or not these are being kept.


It's sure nice to know I don't have to be "judged" by some guy who thinks he's entitled to ask for proof of my financials. That you think this is completely OK is screwed up.
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