Tobin wrote:I think you are giving critics like Simon too much credit and still using your immature boyish view of the world when assessing the truth. No-one knows the complete truth actually. Certainly not Simon, not FAIR, nor me, and so on. The people at FAIR have a very narrow view of reality and from that perspective, they may feel they are telling the truth. And you may disagree with that. It doesn't mean they are intentionally lying. And Simon, with his very narrow view of reality, is doing something very similar. What Simon is saying may be accurate to a degree. But, the reality of the situation may be different than he assumes and so in general he may also be very mistaken. Simon's world revolves around the assumption that there are no god-like beings interacting with our world. And if so, he's likely correct in his positions. However, if not, he could be vastly mistaken about a great many things.
Bad science is bad science, whether god-like beings interact with our world or not. Your ad hominem attack on Simon has nothing to do with the OP, Simon's article, or Dr. Crandall's strange response.
Bad science is trying to misuse science to prove or disprove religious claims. Something that Simon is amply guilty of.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:Bad science is trying to misuse science to prove or disprove religious claims. Something that Simon is amply guilty of.
Again, that is not what this thread is about. Apparently, you will take whatever opportunity you can to get in a slam at Simon.
Actually, I have been simply responding to you and Joe. If you feel that Joe's post was off-topic, you are welcome to correct him.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Yahoo Bot wrote:I am not a scientist and don't really think that non-scientist apologists ought to weigh in on the issue, but I do note that the wiki article I link below shows some connections between Amerinds and the Levant. So it appears.
Yahoo Bot wrote:I am not a scientist and don't really think that non-scientist apologists ought to weigh in on the issue, but I do note that the wiki article I link below shows some connections between Amerinds and the Levant. So it appears.
A quick word search for "Levant" turns up nothing. Could you share which paragraph you are referring to?
The "Levant" is an expression for the middle east from Turkey to the Arabian peninsula. That's the depth of your analysis, to see if that word is in there?
I'd like Mr. Southerton to comment on the wiki article; it seems to fall in line with what some of the apologists are saying, but I'm no expert.
Yahoo Bot wrote: The "Levant" is an expression for the middle east from Turkey to the Arabian peninsula. That's the depth of your analysis, to see if that word is in there?
I'd like Mr. Southerton to comment on the wiki article; it seems to fall in line with what some of the apologists are saying, but I'm no expert.
If I remember correctly the DNA in question is 17k-20k+ years old.... Hardly helps the Book of Mormon narrative. In fact it contradicts it in a myriad of ways.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
I said, "Bad science is trying to misuse science to prove or disprove religious claims". You asked that I provide an example. If you follow that link, there is an example.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom