AmyJo..... you've questioned my statement that anti's lie...

[Guest]

See the difference about the supremecy of two nutters arguing about whose idea about the invisible sky man is more correct? Not really.

See that you can't parse the English language and understand that at least some of the Book of Abraham directly references the papyrus and facsimiles that we have, while claiming anti misrepresent the LDS position....? Hmm... Does the current position match Joseph Smith's? Is there any real evidence for a longer scroll? Not really.

Watching the religious argue about this mythological BS. Fun.

[_ldsfaqs]

I think that what you're calling "stop the faith of Mormons" is actually in most cases, people making an attempt to expose the lies they believe are being forwarded by the LDS Church.

They have a right to do so.

Next time you refer to "Christ's own words" and name two chapters of the New Testament, might you be so kind as to quote the portions of those books that you are referring to? There are many here who are unfamiliar with the Bible itself and speaking only for myself, I have no clue what you're referencing or why you are referencing it unless you quote chapter and verse.

The have the right to do a lot of things, but that doesn't make it right.

I referred to those 2 chapters for a reason, because they both need to be carefully read to understand the teaching.
I don't believe in "quote mining" for the most part, especially this subject in which the whole chapters are important to the point.

If you are not familiar, then go read them.... they are a click away.
You should read them anyway, even if familiar, to see my point.

[_DarkHelmet]

If I go on a Catholic board, I don't lie about it's history, it's leaders words, Catholic doctrine, etc. in order to be critical of the Catholic Church, it's leaders, etc.. I might make the rare misunderstanding, but I read and relay the history doctrines etc. for what they are and what they believe. I don't create a lying characterization of everything I say about them.
This is what normal good people do.

You don't teach them about the apostacy?

[_canpakes]

It's all good! Ldsfaqs is here to save us all from people like AmyJo and AmyJo is here to save us all from people like ldsfaqs.

We can't lose.

[_Arrakis]

Mormonism, itself, is an attack on historical Christianity and who fired the first shot?
Stop whining

Buzz wrong....!

1. A general statement of belief is not the same thing as attacking religions and faiths directly..

Buzz....BS !.....it is a blanket condemnation of all historical Christianity.....every church, every denomination, every sect :
all their creeds were an abomination
those professors were all corrupt
they teach for doctrines the commandments of men
....then to follow up on that condemnation, the Journal of Discourses records sermon after sermon denouncing historical Christianity as false.

While your whining is rather entertaining, your argument is pathetic.

[_ldsfaqs]

If I go on a Catholic board, I don't lie about it's history, it's leaders words, Catholic doctrine, etc. in order to be critical of the Catholic Church, it's leaders, etc.. I might make the rare misunderstanding, but I read and relay the history doctrines etc. for what they are and what they believe. I don't create a lying characterization of everything I say about them.
This is what normal good people do.

You don't teach them about the apostacy?

Teaching them about our beliefs on the subject is not the same thing as misrepresenting and LYING about what they believe on the subject.
Understand the difference?

[_SteelHead]

Ldsfaqs, did Brigham Young teach the Adam-God stuff as doctrine?

[_canpakes]

Teaching them about our beliefs on the subject is not the same thing as misrepresenting and LYING about what they believe on the subject.
Understand the difference?

So how do you present this? Is it like this? -

"Your Church is corrupted, but I can't explain why..."
"Your Church has no 'priesthood authority', but I cannot explain how I know that other than hearsay, nor explain why it is necessary in the way that I believe it..."
"Your ideas on baptism for dead folks is wrong, but I can't explain why..."
"Your ideas on the nature of God are incorrect, but I can't explain the logic behind ours..."
"There are really three layers of Heaven, and three more sub-layers in the top layer, just because we say so, but can't really explain why or what gets you where..."
"Crosses are bad, but I won't tell you why we think so..."
"Jesus came to America, but you'll just have to believe me on that..."
"You need secret handshakes to get into Heaven, even though there's no explanation or Biblical precedent for that and it sounds like we stole that bit from those crazy Masons..."
"We pretended than an Egyptian funeral scroll was the Word of God until we decided that it was all just God's joke on Joseph Smith in order for him to tell 'revealed truths'..."
"We're the real Christians, even though we insist on calling ourselves 'Mormons' and photograph every missionary that we send out into the world holding only a 'Book of Mormon'..."
"... Can't you crazy Catholics (or insert other religion of choice) see how you are all evil and misled?!?"

[_DarkHelmet]

Teaching them about our beliefs on the subject is not the same thing as misrepresenting and LYING about what they believe on the subject.
Understand the difference?

So how do you present this? Is it like this? -

"Your Church is corrupted, but I can't explain why..."
"Your Church has no 'priesthood authority', but I cannot explain how I know that other than hearsay, nor explain why it is necessary in the way that I believe it..."
"Your ideas on baptism for dead folks is wrong, but I can't explain why..."
"Your ideas on the nature of God are incorrect, but I can't explain the logic behind ours..."
"There are really three layers of Heaven, and three more sub-layers in the top layer, just because we say so, but can't really explain why or what gets you where..."
"Crosses are bad, but I won't tell you why we think so..."
"Jesus came to America, but you'll just have to believe me on that..."
"You need secret handshakes to get into Heaven, even though there's no explanation or Biblical precedent for that and it sounds like we stole that bit from those crazy Masons..."
"We pretended than an Egyptian funeral scroll was the Word of God until we decided that it was all just God's joke on Joseph Smith in order for him to tell 'revealed truths'..."
"We're the real Christians, even though we insist on calling ourselves 'Mormons' and photograph every missionary that we send out into the world holding only a 'Book of Mormon'..."
"... Can't you crazy Catholics (or insert other religion of choice) see how you are all evil and misled?!?"

I would be willing to bet that when ldsfaqs goes on Catholic boards to, as he puts it "in order to be critical of the Catholic Church, it's leaders, etc." he probably tries to back up his criticisms with some sort of evidence. I would be willing to bet that the faithful Catholics on those boards don't agree with ldsfaq's evidence, and may even accuse him of making up lies. I also wonder what other LDS think of ldsfaqs representing them on the Catholic boards.

[_AmyJo]

It's all good! Ldsfaqs is here to save us all from people like AmyJo and AmyJo is here to save us all from people like ldsfaqs.

We can't lose.

I'm honing my skills. ;0

I'm not here to save anyone, except like others, have a place to vent. I much prefer venting to debating or defending what I believe, or why I believe it. I left that behind when I left Mormonism. I'm just thankful to be on this side of history, and not that side. If ya'll get my drift .... I am surprised at the couple of apologetics that are open about it. I doubt very much you'll see ex-Mormons on pro-Mormon sites. I wouldn't want to waste my time on one of those because we have nothing in common. Why ldsfaqs is here is because he's either a volunteer or a paid volunteer by LDS inc. to disrupt and divide. I don't see what he gets out of this otherwise, except angst.

ldsfaqs may at some point have an epiphany. That is dubious at best. Meanwhile, I do enjoy this place. It is a nice diversion from the mundane things I gotta do. I don't mind chiming in. Other than that, ya'll carry on! :)