malkie wrote:As far as I can see, at no point in the official First Vision story do the two beings identify themselves, much less prove who they are.
Therefore nothing whatsoever can be learned about either Jesus or Elohim from the encounter described.
If indeed it was J or E...Joseph Smith didn't make the requisite handshakes so it could have been Stan and a minion just messing with him.
Quasimodo wrote:Good point! Someone needs to redo the first vision paintings.
Furthermore, even assuming that the official First Vision story is true as related by JSJr, there is absolutely no way to know if the beings told the truth.
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