New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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Shulem wrote:
Mon Sep 22, 2025 7:57 pm
Look, I yelled for years and years about what's the king's name in Facsimile No. 3. The BYP finally came to the rescue. But he's been abducted by a UFO and has left the planet.

Now, I'm gong to yell for years and years about Egypt being founded in 2300 BC according to Smith's revelations. Would someone please lend me a hand? Vogel? Let's kick some apologetic ass and watch them squirm like the worms they are!

John Gee is like a little worm crawling about the dirt not knowing how to defend Smith's Egypt from that point of view. We have him boxed in right where we want him. Twist his arms and make him scream in pain! Hold him down and paddle his ass!

:twisted:
You are yelling that ears that won’t hear.

But know this. People unbeknownst to you benefit from your research and findings. Gee is a crumb. Not even Egyptology takes his Book of Abraham nonsense seriously. So you shouldn’t either. He’s just nothing.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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The Proprietor wrote:The four corners of the chart shown above represent the four basic forms of propositions recognized in classical (Aristotelian) logic:
A propositions, or universal affirmatives, take the form: All S are P or Every S is a P.

E propositions, or universal negations, take the form: No S are P or No S is a P.

I propositions, or particular affirmatives, take the form: Some S are P or Some S is a P.

O propositions, or particular negations, take the form: Some S are not P or Some S is not P.
On the assumption made within classical (Aristotelian) categorical logic, that every category contains at least one member, the following relationships hold within the square:

Firstly, A and O propositions are contradictory, as are E and I propositions. Propositions are contradictory when the truth of one implies the falsity of the other, and conversely. Thus, the truth of a proposition of the form All S are P implies the falsity of the corresponding proposition of the form Some S are not P. For example, if the proposition “All expert consensus opinions are trustworthy” (A) is true, then the proposition “Some expert consensus opinions are not trustworthy” (O) must be false. Similarly, if “No expert consensus views are trustworthy” (E) is false, then the proposition “Some expert consensus views are trustworthy” must be true.

Secondly, A and E propositions are contrary. Propositions are contrary when they cannot both be true. An A proposition — e.g., “All experts are right” — cannot be true at the same time as the corresponding E proposition: “No experts are right.” Please note, however, that A and E propositions, while they are contrary, are not contradictory. While they cannot both be true, they can both be false; “All experts are right” and “No experts are right” don’t exhaust the logical possibilities: “Some experts are right” (a proposition of form I), if it is the case, obviously falsifies the corresponding A and E propositions.

Next, I and O propositions are what classical Aristotelian logic terms subcontrary. Propositions are subcontrary when it is impossible for both to be false. Because “Some experts are infallible” is false, “Some experts are not infallible” must be true. Please notice, however, that it is possible for corresponding I and O propositions both to be true, as with “Some authorities are reliable,” and “Some authorities are not reliable.” Again, I and O propositions are subcontrary, but they are neither contrary nor contradictory.

Finally, two propositions are deemed to stand in the relation of subalternation when the truth of the first (the “superaltern”) implies the truth of the second (the “subaltern”), but not conversely. A propositions stand in the relation of subalternation with the corresponding I propositions. The truth of the A proposition “All experts are fallible” implies the truth of the proposition “Some experts are fallible.” However, the truth of the O proposition “Some experts are not correct” does not imply the truth of the E proposition “No experts are correct.” In traditional logic, the truth of an A or an E proposition implies the truth of the corresponding I or O proposition, respectively. Consequently, the falsity of an I or O proposition implies the falsity of the corresponding A or E proposition, respectively. However, the truth of a particular proposition does not imply the truth of the corresponding universal proposition, nor does the falsity of a universal proposition carry downwards to the respective particular propositions.
For the record, the Proprietor’s content above appears to be copied or adapted from the entry titled “Square of Opposition,” published in the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

ETA: The Proprietor just added a note indicating that his “little excursus into the first week of Logic 101” was “drawn quite unoriginally from https://iep.utm.edu/sqr-opp.” It’s strange but not surprising that he didn’t acknowledge his source in his original post.
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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Sep 22, 2025 9:14 pm
But know this. People unbeknownst to you benefit from your research and findings. Gee is a crumb. Not even Egyptology takes his Book of Abraham nonsense seriously. So you shouldn’t either. He’s just nothing.

With just a little enquiry from A.I., it's readily apparent that the Internet and powers that be know all about the Book of Abraham and everything I've expressed on this board. Mormon apologetics for the Book of Abraham is absolutely doomed to hell. A.I. has things in check as we speak. It is so over for the Book of Abraham.

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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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Shulem wrote:
Mon Sep 22, 2025 7:57 pm
Look, I yelled for years and years about what's the king's name in Facsimile No. 3. The BYP finally came to the rescue. But he's been abducted by a UFO and has left the planet.

Now, I'm gong to yell for years and years about Egypt being founded in 2300 BC according to Smith's revelations. Would someone please lend me a hand? Vogel? Let's kick some apologetic ass and watch them squirm like the worms they are!

John Gee is like a little worm crawling about the dirt not knowing how to defend Smith's Egypt from that point of view. We have him boxed in right where we want him. Twist his arms and make him scream in pain! Hold him down and paddle his ass!

:twisted:
LOL! I am still here. I convinced the alien I am still valuable down here so they let me off the craft. It's all good.
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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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Shulem wrote:
Mon Sep 22, 2025 10:23 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Sep 22, 2025 9:14 pm
But know this. People unbeknownst to you benefit from your research and findings. Gee is a crumb. Not even Egyptology takes his Book of Abraham nonsense seriously. So you shouldn’t either. He’s just nothing.

With just a little enquiry from A.I., it's readily apparent that the Internet and powers that be know all about the Book of Abraham and everything I've expressed on this board. Mormon apologetics for the Book of Abraham is absolutely doomed to hell. A.I. has things in check as we speak. It is so over for the Book of Abraham.

:geek:
INDEED! ChatGPT 5.0 can track ANYTHING on the Book of Abraham and papyri! LITERALLY. There is no wiggle room anymore and not a snowballs chance in hell they can continue to fake it as apologists have in the past.
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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Mon Sep 22, 2025 11:15 pm
INDEED! ChatGPT 5.0 can track ANYTHING on the Book of Abraham and papyri! LITERALLY. There is no wiggle room anymore and not a snowballs chance in hell they can continue to fake it as apologists have in the past.

Thank you for chiming in, Philo.

It's incredible! Biblical literalists and the Mormons are so screwed. The Book of Abraham is DOOMED! A.I. has got it all figured out and Church leaders will be left squirming as they try and figure out what the hell to do with their f-ing Book of Abraham. :lol:

Gee & Muhlestein will go down in history as corrupt scholars who abused their Egyptological degrees in a vain effort to prop up Smith's false revelations. A.I. is going to hang them high!
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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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“DCP” wrote: I've always been interested in the study of logic. But it was rather like taking a sledgehammer after a mosquito.

And, sadly, it's already become obvious that my efforts sailed right over the head of one of the principal groupies there. It only seems to have agitated him further.
So you see everyone, this was all just a troll to agitate the antis.

Yawn.

I already know DCP won’t engage with anything here. I’m writing to point it out to everyone else reading.

One hilarious note: a SeN faithful reader has admitted to being willfully ignorant of what is posted here, content to be spoon fed DCP’s false characterizations.

That really sums this up in a nice nutshell.
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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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drumdude wrote:
Tue Sep 23, 2025 12:00 am
“DCP” wrote: I've always been interested in the study of logic. But it was rather like taking a sledgehammer after a mosquito.

And, sadly, it's already become obvious that my efforts sailed right over the head of one of the principal groupies there. It only seems to have agitated him further.
So you see everyone, this was all just a troll to agitate the antis.

Yawn.

I already know DCP won’t engage with anything here. I’m writing to point it out to everyone else reading.

One hilarious note: a SeN faithful reader has admitted to being willfully ignorant of what is posted here, content to be spoon fed DCP’s false characterizations.

That really sums this up in a nice nutshell.
That's Mormonism in a nutshell. Just listen to the faith promoters and don't check into it for yourself. With AI capability, there is simply no valid excuse for ignorance any more. Mormonism is indeed doomed.
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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Tue Sep 23, 2025 12:49 am
That's Mormonism in a nutshell. Just listen to the faith promoters and don't check into it for yourself. With AI capability, there is simply no valid excuse for ignorance any more. Mormonism is indeed doomed.

Does that mean you no longer trust Egyptologist John Gee to explain to you *how* ancient Egypt was first formed and *when* the first king ruled the land?

Give brother Gee a break!

Gee-boy wrote: Come on brother Shirts, you know that Egypt is not as old as some scholars claim. The Bible and Book of Abraham reveal that Egypt was first discovered and founded in 2300 BC shortly after the flood. The name of the first king was Pharaoh. Now get your lazy-learning ass back to church and start paying your tithing again. Stop being so selfish.

And you Vogel, have no credentials and are leading people astray because you don't understand the documents. Repent.

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Re: New Video Response to Recent Apologetics on Bk of Abraham

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Dan just reposted his little defense for believing ridiculous things. Because he believes Mormonism is true, every little stupid thing in Mormonism has to be vindicated at some point.

I guess that’s one way to live your life. Hope springs eternal. It’s a bit like an alcoholic hoping to eventually find salvation at the bottom of a bottle.
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