Miss Taken wrote: Rubbish. Sexual deviations were present in 'all classes', but as a general rule there were very strong social barriers in place amongst 'most' people of 'most' classes, and Puritanism 'began' in Elizabethan England Why me, don't forget that...
I know that. But you made it seem that victorian values made human sexuality non-existent outside the confines of marriage.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:A sixteen year old was usually much more mature back then than now. She would have known the ropes.
CFR.
See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america.
So why was Joseph Smith accused of having a "dirty, nasty, affair" back in the 1830s. Maybe you need to build a time machine and take this book back to the 1830s so that the people who were criticizing Joseph Smith back then can understand. Maybe if they understood that his behavior was perfectly normal in their time period, they wouldn't have tarred and feathered him.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
why me wrote:See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america.
So why was Joseph Smith accused of having a "dirty, nasty, affair" back in the 1830s. Maybe you need to build a time machine and take this book back to the 1830s so that the people who were criticizing Joseph Smith back then can understand. Maybe if they understood that his behavior was perfectly normal in their time period, they wouldn't have tarred and feathered him.
Read pages 13 and 14 from the link.
He was tarred and feathered based on rumor. And his position as leader of the Mormons did not help which was the reason for the tar and feathering.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
"See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america."
Give me a name of any President, Vice President, Cabinet member, Senator, Assemblyman, State Governor, State Senator, State Assemblyman before 1850 that had any resemblance to Joseph Smith and how he was involved with women.
Now that I provided a link that demonstrates that young woman at that time were sexually active and mature, we can safely conjecture that fanny just might of tempted ol' joe into some sort of sexual activity. Maybe she was hornier than a rabbit and was attracted to Joseph Smith for the power that he had.
Thus, it could have all been fanny's fault.
And please remember, that I am taking a position of a critic on this board who repeatively says that ol' Joe was lustful and wanted some sex. Maybe fanny was not innocent and wanted some action.
Now of course, I don't see the lust that you guys see it. I just see a plural sealing.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america.
I fail to see where your claim substantiated that 16 year olds were "more mature" in early America. The article says that most adolescent girls were "sexually mature", but usually did not marry until age 20. Adolescent girls today are also sexually mature, and the age of consent is 16 (where I am). Very few marry at that age. Sexual maturity doesn't mean an adolescent is ready for marriage, much less plural marriage!
"See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america."
Give me a name of any President, Vice President, Cabinet member, Senator, Assemblyman, State Governor, State Senator, State Assemblyman before 1850 that had any resemblance to Joseph Smith and how he was involved with women.
That is not the point. Back then, young women were sexually active. They wanted some action. Thus, fanny might not have been so innocent.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Miss Taken wrote:She couldn't have taken the 'marriage' too seriously, otherwise she wouldn't have 'left' the relationship, whatever it was, and married someone else (legally I assume)
This doesn't follow. Even marriages taken seriously at the outset sometimes dissolve, perhaps particularly when they are secret, illegal marriages into which 'complications' are introduced.