Mormon Church, wrong again re masturbation

Post by **_Pa Pa** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:13 pm

Boaz & Lidia wrote:

This crosses all lines...your a sad little man...if you get my meaning. Looks like your trying to compensate for it here.

Post by **_Pokatator** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:42 pm

Pa Pa wrote:This crosses all lines...your a sad little man...if you get my meaning. Looks like your trying to compensate for it here.

Hey, PaPa,

welcome to the board. Sorry that you don't have a sense of humor. Life goes better with one if you haven't noticed. I wonder what you are trying to compensate for by being here? I wonder what we are all trying to compensate for? I am sure we all have issues of some sort.

Cheers,
Pokatator

Post by **_harmony** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:46 pm

Gazelam wrote:There is no possible contortion of doctrine in any way shape or form to ever possibly lift the ban on homosexuality. Homosexuality is against the plan of salvation in every way imaginable. It is a breaking of the law of chastity and about as far from the nature of God as is humanly possible. God has chosen the name of Father to be known by. Homosexual relationships are incapable of producing fathers.

1. I'm not seeing how a gay man holding hands with another gay man is breaking the law of chastity. Please explain how this is so.

2. There are many people who are incapable of being fathers: bachelors and husbands of barren women, just to name a couple. They don't fit the mold either, Gaz. Yet you don't condemn them like you condemn gay men.

Post by **_harmony** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:51 pm

Papa, welcome to the board. What are you hoping to gain from your experience here? This isn't like MAD, with a rigidly controlled atmosphere where the posters tred a carefully selected path in the sand. We use our own minds here, and because of that, we ignore some of the stuff that shows up. Shades deletes porn, but he doesn't delete spoofs or parodies, even if they offend some of the posters.

If you can't allow others the freedom to express themselves and ignore what offends you, this might not be a comfortable place for you.

Post by **_Pa Pa** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:15 pm

harmony wrote:Papa, welcome to the board. What are you hoping to gain from your experience here? This isn't like MAD, with a rigidly controlled atmosphere where the posters tred a carefully selected path in the sand. We use our own minds here, and because of that, we ignore some of the stuff that shows up. Shades deletes porn, but he doesn't delete spoofs or parodies, even if they offend some of the posters.

If you can't allow others the freedom to express themselves and ignore what offends you, this might not be a comfortable place for you.

I am aware of this...and the picture was funny, but not with Boyd K. Packer's head on it. I can run with the big dogs as well as any, but that just struck me as too much.

Post by **_Pa Pa** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:19 pm

Pokatator wrote:
Pa Pa wrote:This crosses all lines...your a sad little man...if you get my meaning. Looks like your trying to compensate for it here.

Hey, PaPa,

I wonder what you are trying to compensate for by being here?
Cheers,
Pokatator

Pick something...I am probably lacking in it. I am short on money and brains.

Post by **_harmony** » Thu May 15, 2008 2:22 pm

Pa Pa wrote:
harmony wrote:Papa, welcome to the board. What are you hoping to gain from your experience here? This isn't like MAD, with a rigidly controlled atmosphere where the posters tred a carefully selected path in the sand. We use our own minds here, and because of that, we ignore some of the stuff that shows up. Shades deletes porn, but he doesn't delete spoofs or parodies, even if they offend some of the posters.

If you can't allow others the freedom to express themselves and ignore what offends you, this might not be a comfortable place for you.
I am aware of this...and the picture was funny, but not with Boyd K. Packer's head on it. I can run with the big dogs as well as any, but that just struck me as too much.

Some of us tend to think BKP has issues with sexuality. Others think he's just the GA that gets stuck with all the "delicate" subjects because he has a pit bull personality that tends to say the things the other GA's want to say but are too polite or too embarrassed. Whenever gentleness, finesse, tact, tolerance, or a kind word is needed, we don't look to BKP to provide it.

And if that picture was too much for you, then you might want to invest in a suit of armor, because while some of our posters are juvenile sometimes, there is always an underlying point that has at least some validity.

Post by **_Brackite** » Sat May 17, 2008 1:23 am

Coggins7 wrote:
OW, you have no answer for Brackie's question. I'm not surprised. Neither do our leaders. There's no answer for gay members either, except to live in a glass bubble and never touch anyone or anything remotely sexual. And that's an unacceptable answer.

Whatever the answer for masturbation (and there is, if you can guess it), homosexuals must remain celibate, as must unmarried heterosexuals; they must obey the law of Chastity, or lose the blessings associated with that principle.

The commandments of God are the same for all.

Well then do you really believe that the few LDS males who aren't able to get marry in this lifetime, that they should go their whole lifetime without ever Masturbating, and then they very likely get Prostrate cancer?
Where in the New Testament or the Book of Mormon does it condemn the practice of masturbation? I know that there are several places in the Book of Mormon where it condemns the practice of Polygamy. However, I am Not aware of anywhere in the Book of Mormon or the New Testament where it condemns the practice of masturbation.

Post by **_asbestosman** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:54 am

Brackite wrote:Well then do you really believe that the few LDS males who aren't able to get marry in this lifetime, that they should go their whole lifetime without ever Masturbating, and then they very likely get Prostrate cancer?

I'm not sure the study says that those who don't masturbate are "very likely" to get prostate cancer. All it says is that they are 3 x more likely to get prostate cancer. The total chances may still be quite low. Furthermore, even if one masturbates, one is only one third as likely to get prostate concer. I wouldn't consider that to be a difference between "very likely" to unlikely.

Post by **_Brackite** » Sun May 18, 2008 3:38 am

beastie wrote:Is there anyone who disagrees with these two points?

1. The LDS church has been adamantly anti-masturbation, and has partly defended that by saying it is not “physically necessary”.
2. Studies now show that masturbating more than five times a week reduces the risk of prostrate cancer.

It seems to me that unless folks want to contest one of these two claims, then the issue is settled: the LDS church was wrong about masturbation. Whether or not individuals still find value in abstinence is entirely besides the question.

I do Not disagree with those two points. However, There is absolutely No where in the Book of Mormon or the New Testament where it condemns the Practice of masturbation. Here is some important useful information, From an LDS Physician:

Jesus Christ never said anything about masturbation. It was not an issue. It is significant that church leaders have not claimed or stated they received any “thus saith the Lord” revelations on masturbation from God. This is obvious since Joseph Smith and scriptures have said nothing about it. Church leaders only began talking about it in the very late 1800’s when they told youth the same false medical information that was popular at the time - that it caused insanity.

A few decades later, when that was obviously not the case anymore, and everyone knew that the masturbation insanity and disease story was false, church leaders adopted the new popular socially conservative American moral view (the “worldly” view). The church has a continual history of mimicking popular conservative public opinion when it comes to masturbation.

This behavior should make it pretty obvious that the Lord has not revealed the truth of the matter through the church leaders otherwise they would have not fallen for any of the false tales of “the world” and would have revealed the truth. Not only have LDS youth not received the truth about masturbation, they have suffered from extremely damaged self-worth. They are taught to fight against the Lord’s healthy developmental process that is only designed to drive them toward healthy marital bonding and family life.

( Link: http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/mast ... n_help.htm )

Again, There is absolutely No where in the Book of Mormon or the New Testament where it condemns the Practice of masturbation. Masturbation is NOT a sin among any of the Single Males.