Conscientious Alternative to Mormonism

[_lulu]

I got in a position to respond to this quicker than I thought I would.

I'll assume you mean "why" do I "call" or "say" that.

To begin to answer that question let's start with the # of times you say "I" and "my" in your post.

Okay, I took a look at the post you responded to, took all the references to people, and got:

LDSToronto, I, someone, me, I, someone, someone, those around, someone, I'm, God, my, me, I, those around, me, I, Monson, I, God, I'm, Monson, preserver, I'm, human race, my, me, I'm, I'm, my children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, me, my, I, I, I, I'm, I, anyone

There are forty references to people altogether, and if I count the instances of "I", "I'm", "my", and "me" I get 23. That's 57.5%.

On the other hand if I do the same thing to your post I get:

I'll, you, I, let's, you, your

That's six words and they're evenly split; three refer to I (Lulu) or us (Lulu and others), and three refer to you (Kevin). That's 50%.

Do you really think that a difference of 7.5% is enough to make me self-centered and you not?

Huh?

[_Themis]

I made a decision a long time ago; whether it was courageous or not, maybe you can tell me. My decision was to stay a devout Latter-day Saint until I came to the knowledge that God didn't want me to be a Latter-day Saint, or until I came to the knowledge that God wanted me to be something else.

Exactly.

People will be waiting until long after they are dead in many different religions, including LDS, for that.

The point of Mormonism is to find out what God wants you to do. If that is being part of the LDS Church or not, it doesn't matter. Seeking, speaking with, and doing as God asks is what is important.

Yet somehow God is not talking to LDS including Monson, but he is supposedly talking to you. Well you think once.

[_Tobin]

Yet somehow God is not talking to LDS including Monson, but he is supposedly talking to you. Well you think once.

That is one more time than you have. I understand that I'm making a mistake by responding to you since you don't believe in a real God that actually interacts with us and that you find the concept threatening (otherwise you wouldn't follow me from thread-to-thread making asinine comments). However, my concern isn't about whether or not you know there is a God since that is something you will discover in time. As for me, I'm satisfied there is a God and my interest is only in best understanding that God and I feel sorry for you that you can't do that.

[_KevinSim]

Okay, I took a look at the post you responded to, took all the references to people, and got:

LDSToronto, I, someone, me, I, someone, someone, those around, someone, I'm, God, my, me, I, those around, me, I, Monson, I, God, I'm, Monson, preserver, I'm, human race, my, me, I'm, I'm, my children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, me, my, I, I, I, I'm, I, anyone

There are forty references to people altogether, and if I count the instances of "I", "I'm", "my", and "me" I get 23. That's 57.5%.

On the other hand if I do the same thing to your post I get:

I'll, you, I, let's, you, your

That's six words and they're evenly split; three refer to I (Lulu) or us (Lulu and others), and three refer to you (Kevin). That's 50%.

Do you really think that a difference of 7.5% is enough to make me self-centered and you not?

Huh?

Perhaps I jumped the gun. Lulu, I apologize if I made erroneous assumptions about what your point was.

I made a post. You, Lulu, asked me if I could see how self-centered I was. I responded with unbelief, and asked you why you thought my post showed that I was self-centered. You replied by saying, "To begin to answer that question let's start with the # of times you say 'I' and 'my' in your post."

So my answer is that in my post I referred to people or groups of people forty times; of those forty times 23 were with first person pronouns.

[_KevinSim]

Exactly. The point of Mormonism is to find out what God wants you to do. If that is being part of the LDS Church or not, it doesn't matter. Seeking, speaking with, and doing as God asks is what is important.

Tobin, I agree with that 100%.

[_KevinSim]

Yet somehow God is not talking to LDS including Monson, but he is supposedly talking to you. Well you think once.

Themis, why do you think God has not talked to Monson?

[_lulu]

The post in question

My conscience demands that I work towards permanent good, good that isn't going to go away when I die, good that's going to have lasting effect. Does this clear things up a little?

(Just for clarity's sake contains 32 words not that that was my point).

Are we good so far Kevin?

[_Buffalo]

Yet somehow God is not talking to LDS including Monson, but he is supposedly talking to you. Well you think once.

Themis, why do you think God has not talked to Monson?

If God has talked to Monson, apparently his message has been the following:

Spout off Hallmarky truisms
Talk yourself up
Spin tall tales about the war
Persecute the gays

I guess God doesn't have anything better to say?

[_KevinSim]

The post in question

My conscience demands that I work towards permanent good, good that isn't going to go away when I die, good that's going to have lasting effect. Does this clear things up a little?

(Just for clarity's sake contains 32 words not that that was my point).

Are we good so far Kevin?

Lulu, we are good. I said those words. (There are 33 of them, but that's a minor nit.)

[Guest]

If God has talked to Monson, apparently his message has been the following:

Spout off Hallmarky truisms
Talk yourself up
Spin tall tales about the war
Persecute the gays

I guess God doesn't have anything better to say?

Buffalo, that goes on the assumption that everything God has told Monson Monson has passed on to the general Church membership. I know of no reason why that has to be the case.

I've made my position on gay rights pretty clear in other threads. Monson is no more persecuting the gays than the federal government was persecuting the LDS Church under B Young and J Taylor, and than the federal government is persecuting polygamous groups today.

To be honest, the position of the LDS Church on gay rights does bother me somewhat, but I think it's premature to conclude that a good God would, of necessity, inspire different policies regarding gays than the LDS Church says He has inspired.