Kids who die before age 8 DON'T automatically go to the C.K.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Bob, when I said some people on this forum have a dim understanding of Mormonism, I may have been a bit too generous in that assessment.

I have forgotten more about Mormonism than you will ever know.

[_Tobin]

Bob, when I said some people on this forum have a dim understanding of Mormonism, I may have been a bit too generous in that assessment.

I have forgotten more about Mormonism than you will ever know.

Fascinating. So you basically admit you've forgotten pretty much everything you knew about Mormonism. What other interesting tidbit are you going to share with me? Your favorite color?

[_Darth J]

Spirits don't live in the celestial kingdom. How can you claim to be a Mormon and not know this?

Bob, when I said some people on this forum have a dim understanding of Mormonism, I may have been a bit too generous in that assessment.

And the inverse relationship between Tobin's confidence in his assertions and the accuracy of his assertions continues to manifest itself.

“Chapter 45: The Postmortal Spirit World,” Gospel Principles, 289

The spirit world is a place of waiting, working, learning, and resting from care and sorrow. Our spirits will live there until we are ready for our resurrection. Then our mortal bodies will once more unite with our spirits, and we will receive the degree of glory we have prepared for (see chapter 46, “The Last Judgment”).

“Chapter 46: The Last Judgment,” Gospel Principles, 294

At the Final Judgment we will be assigned to the kingdom for which we are prepared. We will be sent to one of four places: the celestial kingdom (the highest degree of glory), the terrestrial kingdom (the second degree), the telestial kingdom (the lowest degree), or outer darkness (the kingdom of the devil—not a degree of glory).

“Words to Know,” Gospel Fundamentals, 278

Spirit world: The place where the spirits of all mankind go after death until the resurrection.

[_Falcon A]

To believers, kids go to the CK if they die before the 'age of accountability'. This is a basic and well established doctrine.

The thing Tobin isn't considering is that those spirits were so valiant and so overly righteous in the pre-existence that they are exempt from this earth life's tests. It's like when a student 'tests out' of say, Pre-algebra and goes right into Algebra 1.

What Tobin is saying is foreign to anything I've ever heard or been taught.

[Guest]

Now I see why folks like Darth and Bob have lost their testimonies. They were too rigid in their thinking because they actually took the scriptures and teachings of the GAs literally. How stupid of them? If their minds were only more . . . ummm . . . flexible like Tobin and Jo then there wouldn't be any more problems and they'd all be happily supplementing their tithing checks with regular visits to the Lord's mall.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Fascinating. So you basically admit you've forgotten pretty much everything you knew about Mormonism. What other interesting tidbit are you going to share with me? Your favorite color?

I'm saying I have forgotten next to nothing about Mormonism, which is more than you know about the subject.

[_Bob Loblaw]

And the inverse relationship between Tobin's confidence in his assertions and the accuracy of his assertions continues to manifest itself.

“Chapter 45: The Postmortal Spirit World,” Gospel Principles, 289

The spirit world is a place of waiting, working, learning, and resting from care and sorrow. Our spirits will live there until we are ready for our resurrection. Then our mortal bodies will once more unite with our spirits, and we will receive the degree of glory we have prepared for (see chapter 46, “The Last Judgment”).

“Chapter 46: The Last Judgment,” Gospel Principles, 294

At the Final Judgment we will be assigned to the kingdom for which we are prepared. We will be sent to one of four places: the celestial kingdom (the highest degree of glory), the terrestrial kingdom (the second degree), the telestial kingdom (the lowest degree), or outer darkness (the kingdom of the devil—not a degree of glory).

“Words to Know,” Gospel Fundamentals, 278

Spirit world: The place where the spirits of all mankind go after death until the resurrection.

No fair quoting scripture and official church publications. Tobin knows more than they do.

[_Tobin]

Ah, I see more deceit is going on by certain individuals.
http://www.LDS.org/plan/we-lived-with-god

Before we were born, we lived with God in heaven as spirits. All of our spirit brothers and sisters were there, too—everyone who has lived or will live on earth including Jesus Christ....

Our spirits came from the CK. Of course spirits live there.

Now, there is a reason we (you and I) go to another place instead of directly back to God:

Moses 6:57 Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence; for, in the language of Adam, Man of Holiness is his name, and the name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, even Jesus Christ, a righteous Judge, who shall come in the meridian of time.

But the deceitful critics would pretend the unaccountable have sinned and must therefore go to the spirit world and can not return to their Father in Heaven as the prophet taught instead:

D&C 137:10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.

Interesting, it doesn't say they are saved in the spirit world?!?

And finally Christ himself taught that in order to be saved we also need to become as a little child too.

3 Nephi 11:37 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and become as a little child, and be baptized in my name, or ye can in nowise receive these things.

[_jo1952]

I think you've got the wrong idea of me. You, Nightlion, and Tobin see the changes that have come in the church and take it as evidence that the church has gone astray from the truth. I see plenty of evidence that the church never had the truth, so the changes that have come are just what should be expected from a man-made institution trying to survive in a changing culture.

Hi Cylon,

Thank you for clarifying your position. There are still many posters I am unfamiliar with. It is nice to meet you!

But, taking someone else's words and passing them off as your own is plagiarism even if you do add in a few of your own words. That kind of thing doesn't help your case. And you know damn well that the kind of apology people are talking about here requires an admission of regret because of your wrongdoing. Trying to claim your self-justification counts as an apology is super lame. Just own up. Say you're sorry and move on.

I have already apologized for not providing the link. The reason I gave an explanation is because I was asked to give one. I had hoped I had made it clear that the quotes John Martin used were the same quotes I was going to use anyway. My copies of those same quotes were scattered through various word documents I had created while researching reincarnation; however, his were all in one place. It was never my intent to not give him credit, which is why I had recorded the link when I copied his list into a single word document. There is other information in that same word document. John's information and link are about half-way down in that document. The link just didn't make it into my post. It was an oversight on my part, and I am very sorry I screwed up.

Blessings to you, Cylon.

jo

[_Franktalk]

I'm holding on your rope
Got me ten feet off the ground
And I'm hearing what you say
But I just can't make a sound
You tell me that you need me
Then you go and cut me down
But wait...
You tell me that you're sorry
Didn't think I'd turn around and say..

That it's too late to apologize, it's too late
I said it's too late to apologize, it's too late

Sorry Jo, you had your chance to explain and apologise, you are now going on ignore...3...2...1...

Sure does sound familiar. Maybe from Songwriters: TEDDER, RYAN

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/t/timbaland/ ... 07373.html

Of course you gave a link and gave credit for this original work by others..... Oh wait. Surely you did not steal somebody else's work again.