sock puppet wrote:So if you perceive the emotional response to be positive more than sterile, medicinal in nature, then that is a 'LDS-is-true' answer. But if it is more sterile, medicinal (Vapor Rub-ish), then that is to the effect that the answer to the question, as framed, is itself negative.
You're a cruel guy, sock puppet ... have you no pity at all?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Some times I think I need a poo, so I sit on the loo, thinking I am going to poo, and lo and behold I fart.
Some times I think I need a fart and I am sorely mistaken, I really needed a poo...
The moral of the story is... Never trust what you think or your gut instinct.
I soon realised the non sense of the holy under garment after several years of excrement stains.
PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
Really? How do you tell the difference between hot and cold?
Using thermometer. Developed by scientists.
by the way science helps us to understand The Truth of the Bible:
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7*7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that... The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed... [However] Revelations 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6C. We have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
sock puppet wrote:So if you perceive the emotional response to be positive more than sterile, medicinal in nature, then that is a 'LDS-is-true' answer. But if it is more sterile, medicinal (Vapor Rub-ish), then that is to the effect that the answer to the question, as framed, is itself negative.
You're a cruel guy, sock puppet ...
I've only just begun to be cruel. My cruelty knows no depths. I am omnicruel.
Chap wrote:have you no pity at all?
Actually, yes. There once, not so long ago was a philosopher whose example I follow: "I pity the fool that ... ."
Sock Puppet's exchange with Gordon illustrates perfectly why the LDS epistemology of "Examine your feelings, Luke - you know it to be true!" is so bogus.
If the Holy Ghost is speaking through feelings, and the Devil is speaking through feelings, and as human beings we also have feelings as just a normal part of our lives, then what the believer is saying is that they can accurately analyze their feelings and judge the nature of their feelings. They can come to a 100% confidence that, given any particular spiritual-communication-through-feelings episode, they are accurately judging the nature of their response, and thus can claim to know truth.
And they claim they can do this despite the multitude of forces militating against it. I'm talking about cognitive biases like confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance strategies, the desire to justify one's actions or beliefs, save face, etc. They also claim that they can do this despite the evidence from large numbers of people claiming they do this who apparently are wrong about a lot of what they think has been "revealed" to them.
This has got to be the dumbest strategy for imparting truth to people I've ever heard ascribed to the Creator of the Universe. It's difficult to conceive of a more unreliable communications medium between a being described as God, and a human being on planet Earth.
That the individual believers thinks they've become good at such interpretation of feelings, while their brethren and sistren apparently aren't doing it right, really ought to be a red flag to them. But it usually isn't. Oh well.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
