What's the utility of faith?

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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Patriarchal gripe wrote:
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV), but how well would seeing objects using "second sight" hold up in a court of law?

Also, how may witnesses did J.J. Strang have for his fraud?


Oh don't get me wrong I know the 11 witnesses is a bunch of crap. I'm just showing mormonx that his argument is not a very good one. By his standards of witnesses being evidence then he should believe in the Book of Mormon as well.
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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Buffalo wrote:The universe has zero total energy. All the energy in all the planets and stars etc is counterbalanced by the negative energy of gravity. The sum total is zero. So yes, the universe could definitely come into being without any intelligent intervention. Universes may pop into existence all the time through quantum fluctuations.

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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Nightlion wrote:
Buffalo wrote:The universe has zero total energy. All the energy in all the planets and stars etc is counterbalanced by the negative energy of gravity. The sum total is zero. So yes, the universe could definitely come into being without any intelligent intervention. Universes may pop into existence all the time through quantum fluctuations.

This sort of stuff is what gets written on the comedy club walls in heaven.


Things that are difficult to understand should be presumed to be false, right?
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The universe has zero total energy. All the energy in all the planets and stars etc is counterbalanced by the negative energy of gravity. The sum total is zero. So yes, the universe could definitely come into being without any intelligent intervention. Universes may pop into existence all the time through quantum fluctuations.



The idea of a zero-energy universe, together with inflation, suggests that all one needs is just a tiny bit of energy to get the whole thing started (that is, a tiny volume of energy in which inflation can begin). The universe then experiences inflationary expansion, but without creating net energy.

What produced the energy before inflation? This is perhaps the ultimate question. As crazy as it might seem, the energy may have come out of nothing! The meaning of "nothing" is somewhat ambiguous here. It might be the vacuum in some pre-existing space and time, or it could be nothing at all – that is, all concepts of space and time were created with the universe itself.

http://www.astrosociety.org/pubs/mercur ... thing.html
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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Things that are difficult to understand should be presumed to be false, right?

Like the Trinity?
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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Hoops wrote:

Things that are difficult to understand should be presumed to be false, right?

Like the Trinity?


The Trinity is really simple to understand. Just as simple as married bachelors and square circles.
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The Trinity is really simple to understand. Just as simple as married bachelors and square circles.

Except they're nothing at all alike. But please go on.
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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Hoops wrote:

The Trinity is really simple to understand. Just as simple as married bachelors and square circles.

Except they're nothing at all alike. But please go on.


Do you believe that God the Father is fully (100%) God?

Do you believe that Jesus is fully (100%) God?

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is fully (100%) God?

Do you believe that there is only one (100%) God?

Do you see the problem yet?
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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Do you believe that God the Father is fully (100%) God?
Do you believe that Jesus is fully (100%) God?
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is fully (100%) God?
Do you believe that there is only one (100%) God?
Do you see the problem yet?

I'm agreeing with you! Things that are difficult to understand must be false, right?
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Re: What's the utility of faith?

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Hoops wrote:
Do you believe that God the Father is fully (100%) God?
Do you believe that Jesus is fully (100%) God?
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is fully (100%) God?
Do you believe that there is only one (100%) God?
Do you see the problem yet?

I'm agreeing with you! Things that are difficult to understand must be false, right?


I understand each of the statements above. Just like I know what it means to be a square and I know what it means to be a circle. The problem with the Trinity is not that it is difficult to understand.
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