Love seeing this thread at the top of the page!

Peace,
Ceeboo
Gunnar wrote:Hey Ceeboo!
Thanks for starting this thread!
Your questions inspired some wonderful and fascinating comments from some of my favorite posters on this forum.
I am having a great time following the discussion and the links provided. Very enlightening and interesting!
Ceeboo wrote:Gunnar wrote:Hey Ceeboo!
Morning, Gunnar!![]()
Thanks for starting this thread!
My pleasure!Your questions inspired some wonderful and fascinating comments from some of my favorite posters on this forum.
I agree! There are some vey thought provoking and interesting comments from some of my favorite posters too!
I am having a great time following the discussion and the links provided. Very enlightening and interesting!
Yeah, although I am not the brightest star in the sky, I thoroughly enjoy discussing this topic - A fascinating topic, to be sure!
And, it is my opinion (as well as my experience) that this topic remains entirely fascinating on its own!
When you finish reading, please let me know what team you choose to be on (I might need to order another box of "Team Ceeboo" shirts. (No pressure but they are very cool shirts, comfortable, attractive, well made and.................. free!)
Peace,
Ceeboo
Gunnar wrote:The overall results of reading through this whole thread are:1. I stayed up way past my bedtime and am now seriously sleep deprived.
2. I am more convinced than ever that the evidence massively supports evolutionary theory--whether there is a God or not.
3. I find you even more likeable than before, and greatly appreciate your basic decency and sense of humor.![]()
Can I be an honorary member of your team despite still accepting evolution, or at least remain your friend?
As for that "Team Ceeboo" shirt, if it is the same color as the Invisible Spaghetti Monster, I think I may already have at least one very much like it already, but I won't object to you sending me another one.
DrW wrote:Hey Ceeboo,
As long as we are doing an Ceeboo Evolution thread retrospective, I would like to ask you if this, or any of the numerous other threads on evolution, and/or commentary on the problems with the views of evolution expressed by religionists over on the MADBoard, have changed the mind of Ceeboo, in any way, on this issue.
And I'm pretty sure that I am not the only one here who would be interested to hear what you have to say after some time for consideration, having been exposed (hopefully not overexposed) to the light of science on this issue.
Ceeboo wrote:
I have been considering this for several years (long before my introduction to the MDDB) and I remain in the same camp as I have been for some time now.
Ceeboo's Camp: Science (as well as all human beings from all disciplines) is a marvelous benefit to the entire human race. I am in utter awe of the accomplishments, value and progressiveness that science (as well as other fields of discipline) have brought forth to and for all of us to live better, healthier, and longer lives.
But (HA!) while I appreciate that the DTE is widely accepted as fact (and I freely admit that it may indeed be) I do not accept it as fact.
I should add, whether it is, or is not, fact - has little relevance to the interesting and fascinating discussions that surround it! (Of course, that's just my opinion!)
Peace,
Ceeboo
DrW wrote:Thanks, Ceeboo.
For your consideration
It should be pretty clear from this perspective that one who does not accept evolution must be counted among the science deniers of the world.
Here are some of the problems for all humankind that have arisen in the last few years from otherwise well meaning people who chose to be science deniers:
Polio is back: there has now been a sufficient refusal of free polio vaccination in some areas of Pakistan and elsewhere, because of religious belief, that this crippling disease, once thought to be eradicated by vaccination, has regained a foothold.
Infectious childhood diseases in schools: Science deniers who are refusing to allow their children to be vaccinated here in the US are putting their children, as well as hundreds of thousands of other children, at risk. This is getting to be a real public health problem in some areas.
Science deniers worldwide, as well as in the US (mainly Republicans), are irresponsibly slowing or preventing actions necessary to address climate change - and are helping to deny humankind any chance we might have had of heading off its worst consequences.
There are plenty more examples. And the problems can be attributed to folks who are science deniers for a variety of reasons associated with a variety of religious beliefs. (A Catholic Pope, condoms, and AIDS in Africa is a recent example that comes to mind, as does a certain religious group in Utah who thought that electric shock applied to the genitalia might be an effective means of "curing" SSA.)
Beliefs have consequences.
Ceeboo wrote:
1. The evolution of sexual reproduction
2. The evolution of Mitosis
Within DET, both are completely impossible.
What say you?
Peace,
Ceeboo
The viral eukaryogenesis (VE) theory proposes that eukaryotic cells arose from a combination of a lysogenic virus, an archaeon and a bacterium. This model suggests that the nucleus originated when the lysogenic virus incorporated genetic material from the archaeon and the bacterium and took over the role of information storage for the amalgam. The archaeal host transferred much of its functional genome to the virus during the evolution of cytoplasm but retained the function of gene translation and general metabolism. The bacterium transferred most of its functional genome to the virus as it transitioned into a mitochondrion.
For these transformations to lead to the eukaryotic cell cycle, the VE hypothesis specifies a pox-like virus as the lysogenic virus. A pox-like virus is a likely ancestor because of its fundamental similarities with eukaryotic nuclei. These include a double stranded DNA genome, a linear chromosome with short telomeric repeats, a complex membrane bound capsid, the ability to produce capped mRNA, and the ability to export the capped mRNA across the viral membrane into the cytoplasm. The presence of a lysogenic pox-like virus ancestor explains the development of meiotic division, an essential component of sexual reproduction.