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[Morley]

"It seems Melvin sometimes acts idiotically" is a lot softer than "Melvin is an idiot." Using "it seems" doesn't make the first sentence any more or less subjective (or objective) that the second.

The first sentence may be softer than the second, but they are both subjective/interpretive. They may both be absolute fiction. That's why I said much earlier in the thread that this sort of rhetoric makes it very difficult to separate fact from interpretation (which could be absolutely false). In that case, it IS fiction. When done in volume/frequency, such as in long bullet lists, it is very difficult and time consuming to untangle the Christmas lights.

That's pretty much ALL I've been saying.

Regards,
MG

You changed the meaning of what I sad by cutting off the first half of my post. You then responded to that changed meaning. This is disingenuous.

[Morley]

My money’s on “you’re both wrong” and a pivot.

I think you won the bet.

I'll cut a check this morning and have my assistant put it in tomorrow's mail.

Edit to add: I hope to see you at the faculty Hallowe'en party at the end of the month. Though the dean is requiring full costumes this year, I'll be easily recognizable. I'll be the one dressed as the poor fellow who believes that, with enough patience and care, everyone on a message board can be prodded into engaging in some kind of good faith dialogue.

In other words, I'll be coming as malkie. Or failing that, Chap.

[Limnor]

Mr. Malkie, these are our observations and conclusions, yes sir. I am seconding a request for MG to explain “brought over” and etc.

I had asked MG earlier if it was true that he had used AI, but looking back on the response, I can now see that the question wasn’t answered.

I thought when he said “no” below, it was in response to that question.

But now I notice that the question wasn’t really answered.

MG, please clarify:

- Limnor said: My guess is “brought over” means he “brought it over into AI to help identify subjective phrases” but had some difficulty.

- Marcus responded: Mentalgymnast's AI goofed and labeled MG'S OWN SUBJECTIVE LANGUAGE as...'subjective language."

- Limnor said: Is this true, MG?

- MG responded: No. I was responding to the subjective language issues found in the nine numbered items in malkie's post. Not in anything that I said. Another poster might have intended you to think that, I suppose.

So, to be clear, MG, did you use AI?

Earlier, malkie also said he wasn’t sure it even mattered (or something to that effect), to which I agree. I don’t care if you used AI, MG. It’s the refusal to explain that has captured my interest.

Whoever used the term tedious earlier was spot on.

Also, the use of “cloudbursty” made me chuckle.

[Marcus]

...Nowhere have I said that my posts aren't subjective/interpretive in their nature at times. The difference is, I’ve consistently acknowledged that I’m working from belief, exegesis, and personal reasoning.

MG's sentences here constitute an objective statement that is absolutely false. He does not consistently acknowledge anything of the sort. In fact, he frequently does exactly the opposite. He regularly states his religious opinions as though they were verified fact for every person on this planet.

I only had to go back one week for evidence of my last sentence:

...I can be rather subjective at times thinking that my biases ought to be the 'accepted' views of others...

[Marcus]

Also, the use of “cloudbursty” made me chuckle.

Me too. Good one.

[malkie]

Also, the use of “cloudbursty” made me chuckle

Me too. Good one.

Definitely one of my better moments. But lookout, I may try for chuckles again. Would you prefer them to be objective facts, or subjective fiction?

[Limnor]

Either. Sometimes subjective fiction reveals more truth than objective facts.

[Limnor]

Although I’m only a first-year at Cassius U, there’s a course here on the Hegelian dialectic that runs a lot like what the military war colleges teach. The idea is that truth doesn’t sit still, rather it evolves through conflict. A thesis meets its opposite, the antithesis, and out of that meeting comes a synthesis, a higher form of understanding that reflects bits of both.

Clausewitz borrowed that same logic for his book On War, describing absolute war as a kind of pure, theoretical fiction. It doesn’t exist in reality, but it helps us see the essential forces that drive real wars.

[Marcus]

Me too. Good one.

Definitely one of my better moments. But lookout, I may try for chuckles again. Would you prefer them to be objective facts, or subjective fiction?

I'm partial to interpretive clauses myself, but I wouldn't look away if factually subjected to a fictional object!!!

[Limnor]

Definitely one of my better moments. But lookout, I may try for chuckles again. Would you prefer them to be objective facts, or subjective fiction?

I'm partial to interpretive clauses myself, but I wouldn't look away if factually subjected to a fictional object!!!

Very nicely done!

Per the Cassius U curriculum, that could be categorized as a dialectical event. Fiction revealing fact but pretending not to.

Someone ought to write a paper, or perhaps an allegory, to demonstrate the concept.