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harmony wrote:
Tell that to the people who've read the Kama Sutra for thousands of years. Or what about the ancient erotica that abounded in ancient Rome? You really need to get out more, Loran. Porn wasn't invented in the 80's, and it certainly wasn't socially unacceptable thousands of years ago. Just put ancient erotica into Google, and you'll find a host of website detailing what was commonplace thousands of years ago.


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Tell that to the people who've read the Kama Sutra for thousands of years. Or what about the ancient erotica that abounded in ancient Rome? You really need to get out more, Loran. Porn wasn't invented in the 80's, and it certainly wasn't socially unacceptable thousands of years ago. Just put ancient erotica into Google, and you'll find a host of website detailing what was commonplace thousands of years ago.


Thanks, I wasn't aware that television, cable, satellite, VCRs, and the Internet were available to the ancients. Now I wonder who invented all that stuff. Oh, I know, the Egyptians!

Its now quite clear to me, Harmony, that, wittingly or not, you cannot follow a simple, logically coherent argument in a point by point manner or understand the simple explications of ideas.

What on earth the Kama Sutra and ancient paintings on the walls of Pompeii have to do with the specific rise, legitimation, and popularizing of pornography n the last third of the 20the century and its availability and spread through modern, global information technology I have no living, freaking idea.
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Coggins7 wrote:
Tell that to the people who've read the Kama Sutra for thousands of years. Or what about the ancient erotica that abounded in ancient Rome? You really need to get out more, Loran. Porn wasn't invented in the 80's, and it certainly wasn't socially unacceptable thousands of years ago. Just put ancient erotica into Google, and you'll find a host of website detailing what was commonplace thousands of years ago.


Thanks, I wasn't aware that television, cable, satellite, VCRs, and the Internet were available to the ancients. Now I wonder who invented all that stuff. Oh, I know, the Egyptians!

Its now quite clear to me, Harmony, that, wittingly or not, you cannot follow a simple, logically coherent argument in a point by point manner or understand the simple explications of ideas.

What on earth the Kama Sutra and ancient paintings on the walls of Pompeii have to do with the specific rise, legitimation, and popularizing of pornography n the last third of the 20the century and its availability and spread through modern, global information technology I have no living, freaking idea.


Well.... I think Harm's point was that porn is nothing new. Debauchery is nothing new. Erotica has always been about and manifested in many cultures at many times. What is the point you're trying to make, Coggins? I'm not quite sure what it is.... explain again, s-l-o-w-l-y, please?
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Coggins7 wrote:
Tell that to the people who've read the Kama Sutra for thousands of years. Or what about the ancient erotica that abounded in ancient Rome? You really need to get out more, Loran. Porn wasn't invented in the 80's, and it certainly wasn't socially unacceptable thousands of years ago. Just put ancient erotica into Google, and you'll find a host of website detailing what was commonplace thousands of years ago.


Thanks, I wasn't aware that television, cable, satellite, VCRs, and the Internet were available to the ancients. Now I wonder who invented all that stuff. Oh, I know, the Egyptians!

Its now quite clear to me, Harmony, that, wittingly or not, you cannot follow a simple, logically coherent argument in a point by point manner or understand the simple explications of ideas.

What on earth the Kama Sutra and ancient paintings on the walls of Pompeii have to do with the specific rise, legitimation, and popularizing of pornography n the last third of the 20the century and its availability and spread through modern, global information technology I have no living, freaking idea.


Your point, dear Loran, is that the 60's started some perceived decline in society, via porn being let out of the darkness, rampant sex becoming socially acceptable, and morality on a steep decline. I've asked and asked for references from a specific group (that would be the academics) and you've provided nothing that supports your allegation. MY point is that sex and porn have been around for thousands of years, and the so-called 60's sexual revolution had little if anything to do with society as it is today.
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Moniker wrote:Well.... I think Harm's point was that porn is nothing new. Debauchery is nothing new. Erotica has always been about and manifested in many cultures at many times. What is the point you're trying to make, Coggins? I'm not quite sure what it is.... explain again, s-l-o-w-l-y, please?


The 60s were an unparalleled era of cultural, philosophical, and moral decay. You don't understand how your mind has been warped by its insidious doctrines. Ergo, you have no idea what you are talking about. The 60s. Yeah.
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I'm pretty sure I smell of patchouli as well.
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Moniker wrote:I'm pretty sure I smell of patchouli as well.


Run, don't walk, to your nearest newsstand or bookstore and buy the only known cure for your problem--The National Review. It's W tested and Coggins approved. You can't go wrong.
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Trevor wrote:
Moniker wrote:I'm pretty sure I smell of patchouli as well.


Run, don't walk, to your nearest newsstand or bookstore and buy the only known cure for your problem--The National Review. It's W tested and Coggins approved. You can't go wrong.


I get all the right I can handle from our resident ideologue. I'm good. :)
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Your point, dear Loran, is that the 60's started some perceived decline in society, via porn being let out of the darkness, rampant sex becoming socially acceptable, and morality on a steep decline. I've asked and asked for references from a specific group (that would be the academics) and you've provided nothing that supports your allegation. MY point is that sex and porn have been around for thousands of years, and the so-called 60's sexual revolution had little if anything to do with society as it is today.



The fact that porn has been around for thousands of years is utterly and fundamentally irrelevant to my argument, and that's the point. I already made an extended comment of your debate circumventing tactic of asking for sources for my philosophical critique of historical, sociological, and cultural phenomena, which you have not engaged. Your last claim would be little more than banal were it not so intellectually cowardly. The sexual revolution had little if anything to do with society as it is today? What you have just claimed is that history and the development of cultural attitudes and values through history are useless categories for understanding the present. You have just claimed that nothing of value regarding the nature of present culture can be extracted from a study of history, even very recent history. You have claimed that history is a useless frame of reference that has no bearing on the present. After decontextualizing the present and deracinating it from its historical roots, Harmony can now impose upon it any self satisfying ideological nostrum she pleases. Isn't this kind of anti-intellectualism fascinating.

Now that we know that the sixties had nothing to do with the cultural development of society up to the present (which logically means that the seventies, eighties, and nineties, and cultural developments within those decades have nothing to do with society as it is at present), We can forget history and just accept modernity as it is without question, historical context, or an understanding of the forces and developments among a people culturally, politically, philosophically, and psychologically, that created the socio-cultural antecedents of present cultural conditions and trends. Erasing or ignoring history is the work of the ideological coward who is afraid of what the past might reveal about the present, not of a critical mind that seeks to understand the truth and doesn't flinch what what it might tell us.

Its really very simple.: We cannot understand the present if we do not understand the past and the past's relation to the present in the context of the origin and development of cultural attributes.

Claiming that the sexual revolution had no relation to the massive spread of pornography in later decades, the breakdown of the family, and stratospheric rises in unwed motherhood, premarital cohabitation, abortion, and a society in which one in every two marriages ends in divorce, is so out of touch with the literature, critique and analysis that's been done on this issue over the last several decades (not to mention being flatly counter intuitive) as to be stupefying.

Indeed, you could only get this stupid in college...
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Run, don't walk, to your nearest newsstand or bookstore and buy the only known cure for your problem--The National Review. It's W tested and Coggins approved. You can't go wrong.




NR is a rather highbrow periodical that would probably make you feel in a bit over your head Trevor. They use a lot of big words there and many of the articles require sustained, critical thought to work through and digest. Just stick with CNN headline news, where you've already received most of what you believe about the world, and you'll be fine.
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