More on the Financing of Mopologetics

[_Daniel Peterson]

He stated on the pinned MAD thread that he was very angry about what we've been saying

No he didn't.

But it's true that he regards Bizarro Scratchworld as densely populated by idiots and liars. Unfortunately, I can offer no rebuttal to him.

[_antishock8]

So's your old man, antishock8.

And your mother wears army boots.

Neener neener neener!

Oh. It's you again. Still no letter? What an esteemed academic you are, Mr. Peterson. You have no letter. You never did. Neither did Bill Hamblin. You two are pathetic.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Write to Professor Hamblin and demand that he do this.

No need -- he has seen the demand over and over again here and on other bb's.

I don't think that "his rep is on the line" for anybody except Scratch and three or four of Scratch's disciples -- with whom Professor Hamblin has no possible hope of having a good reputation anyway.

I disagree -- his producing an original or copy of the letter would put this matter to rest immediately.

So far as I'm aware, nobody else alleges that he's a forger.

No one has said he was, because no actual letter (forgery or not) has ever been produced.

The tempest, such as it is, exists in your tiny little teapot, and there alone. I'm not even sure that Professor Hamblin is aware of the speculations and insinuations that agitate Scratchworld on this topic.

I disagree. Until he produces the letter, the question whether it ever existed will continue. Hamblin's claim rests solely on the purported Watson 2nd letter -- without it, his claim rings hollow.

The text of the letter has been put up. It's been up for years.

The "text" is not the letter, as you well know. That's the reason Watson purportedly put the message in writing, with his signature, and on Office of FP letterhead. Do you see the difference? As before, it comes down to this: put up or shut up.

[_Daniel Peterson]

No need -- he has seen the demand over and over again here and on other bb's.

I don't think he reads this board. And I don't think the subject has come up over the past year or two on the board formerly known as FAIR, where he sometimes participates. Where else is this enormous issue troubling the masses?

I disagree -- his producing an original or copy of the letter would put this matter to rest immediately.

Apart from Scratch, you, poor antishock8, and maybe one or two others, the issue seems to have been at rest for years.

I know I'm serene about it, and Professor Hamblin seems to be, as well.

So far as I'm aware, nobody else alleges that he's a forger.

No one has said he was, because no actual letter (forgery or not) has ever been produced.

You and Scratch might want to coordinate your conspiracy theories; Scratch suggested here just a day or two ago that Professor Hamblin may have forged a letter that deceived me.

The tempest, such as it is, exists in your tiny little teapot, and there alone. I'm not even sure that Professor Hamblin is aware of the speculations and insinuations that agitate Scratchworld on this topic.

I disagree. Until he produces the letter, the question whether it ever existed will continue.

With you, Scratch, poor antishock8, and maybe one or two others.

As paranoid conspiracy fantasist groups go, that's really small potatoes. The Flat Earth Society is much larger.

[_antishock8]

Mr. Potato Head,

It's not an issue until YOU made it an issue. You made an assertion that you won't, or more likely, cannot back up. The only issue I have NOW is your constant obfuscation, lack of candor, and root vegetable appearance. The fact that you're a liar has been clearly established. That was never in dispute. Perhaps, in the future, before you ask us to see the letter with our spiritual eyes you may want to consider that outside your little circle of sycophants there are people, in the real world, who don't take your dishonesty at face value.

Very Respectfully,

Anti "Color Me" Shocked that Mr. Peterson Lies about the 2nd Watson Letter.

[_Daniel Peterson]

The fact that you're a liar has been clearly established. That was never in dispute.

If it was never in dispute, why did it need to be established?

[_antishock8]

The fact that you're a liar has been clearly established. That was never in dispute.

If it was never in dispute, why did it need to be established?

This is the reasoning of an esteemed Professor? Jesus... BYU, indeed. Got that letter, yet?

[_Daniel Peterson]

LOL. I'll bet, in his heart of hearts, that even Scratch is just a bit embarrassed by poor antishock8's overenthusiastic support.

Calling somebody "Mr. Potato Head" over and over again probably isn't a very powerful argument even in Scratchworld.

What say you, Scratch? As you like to put it, a simple Yes or No will do. Do you approve of poor antishock8's approach?

I know you probably don't want to alienate any of your (very) small group of disciples, but really . . . It's pretty juvenile, don't you agree?

And shouldn't you send him and Rollo Tomasi the memo about how maybe I'm an innocent victim of the master forger, Bill Hamblin?

[_Rollo Tomasi]

I disagree -- his producing an original or copy of the letter would put this matter to rest immediately.

Apart from Scratch, you, poor antishock8, and maybe one or two others, the issue seems to have been at rest for years.

Nevertheless, the issue remains -- a claim, such as Hamblin's, based solely on a non-extant letter will always be suspect.

I disagree. Until he produces the letter, the question whether it ever existed will continue.

With you, Scratch, poor antishock8, and maybe one or two others.

Nevertheless, the issue remains -- a claim, such as Hamblin's, based solely on a non-extant letter will always be suspect.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Did the moon landing take place on a Houston sound stage?

Absent absolutely definitive evidence to demonstrate them true, NASA's claims can always be doubted.