Emotional Intimacy or Childbearing? Which is more important?

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I disagree. I think being true to myself means living my life based on my own personal values (not yours or anyone else's), and my first tenet is: first, do no harm. They love me and they love the church. I am not so selfish that I'd make them choose between the two, especially when I see no need for it. I can live relatively peacefully this way. I see no reason to remove myself and some of them (because I know some of them would follow me) from the system. On occasion, I have stepped in and removed one or more of them from a situation, just as I have removed myself several times from situations involving the church, but I see no reason to remove myself from the system.


Well, Harmony, it could be argued that being true is simply being who you are and not what others demand of you. I believe the first tenet is to love God with all our heart. You have to do what God wants you to do and that is for you to figure out. It would be sad if your family stopped loving you just because you left the church. That would be conditional love based on requirements they impose. I think God is much greater than that and he wants us to love everyone unconditionally. Your husband should love you unconditionally whether you abide in Mormonism or opt out. He should hold you as a precious wife even if you left Mormonism.

I see you as a Christian believing person stuck in the LDS religion for the sake of family unity. I don’t envy that at all.

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harmony wrote:
Gazelam wrote:
I see no reason for us to think that the bearing of children will be any different in the world to come than it is here.


Then I am, for sure, not going to the CK.


don't forget Harmony that birthing in heaven is different than it is here. Eve was told that in this life she would suffer in childbirth. This a distinction pointed out so that she would understand that things would be different than they were before. Birth in the pre-mortal world was not with suffering.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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don't forget Harmony that birthing in heaven is different than it is here. Eve was told that in this life she would suffer in childbirth. This a distinction pointed out so that she would understand that things would be different than they were before. Birth in the pre-mortal world was not with suffering.


I agree. Birthing babies brings great joy and sheer pleasure both spiritually and physically. It’s ecstasy.

:idea:

Paul O
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How is a baby born in heaven? Just as Brigham Young said!

A Goddess spreads her legs in glorious fashion. With great joy and pleasure the baby makes its way into the arms of the Father. Then he lovingly places the baby of light in the arms of the Goddess.

That’s how spirit babies are born. It is pleasurable and part of heavenly sex.

:idea:

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Paul Osborne wrote:
don't forget Harmony that birthing in heaven is different than it is here. Eve was told that in this life she would suffer in childbirth. This a distinction pointed out so that she would understand that things would be different than they were before. Birth in the pre-mortal world was not with suffering.


I agree. Birthing babies brings great joy and sheer pleasure both spiritually and physically. It’s ecstasy.

:idea:

Paul O



Pop quiz:

What is the difference between a spiritual body and a physical body?

Hint: Both are matter.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Spirits are mainly composed of light. Light is matter, very refined.

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Paul Osborne wrote:Spirits are mainly composed of light. Light is matter, very refined.

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And this would make childbirth difficult how?
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Hi Harmony,

Please Remember that Polygamy was just as bad as for a few of the Males, as it was for some of the Females. Remember Henry Jacobs and Thomas Lewis.

I do not want to become a God and creating and/or organizing trillions of worlds. I want to be with the cats, dogs and the horses within the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Gazelam wrote:
Paul Osborne wrote:Spirits are mainly composed of light. Light is matter, very refined.

Paul O



And this would make childbirth difficult how?


What is difficult for God is seeing his children suffer.

Bearing a spirit baby is not hard at all.

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I think you're both wishing for a fantasy. And I'm no one's fairy godmother. (not you, Brackie)
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