Am I responsible for the "culture" of MormonDiscussions.com?

[_Eric]

For some odd reason, this board is a refuge for the banned, the shunned, the ugly and the acne-ridden ugly nerd boy.

Not to mention latrine lawyers with horrifically bad teeth that like to troll the ex-Mormon message boards.

[_Chap]

It's a pretty common metaphor.

The source is what interests me. And what do you know, it is in the Babylonian Talmud.

I am grateful to this board for helping me to acquire this new information.

It makes it all worth-while

Baba Kamma 13b



THE [DAMAGED] PROPERTY SHOULD BELONG TO PERSONS WHO ARE UNDER [THE JURISDICTION OF] THE LAW. What [person] is thereby meant to be excepted? If a heathen,8 is not this explicitly stated further on: 'An ox of an Israelite that gored an ox of a heathen is not subject to the general law of liability for damage'?9 — That which has first been taught by implication is subsequently explained explicitly.

THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE OWNED. What is thereby excepted? — Rab Judah said: It excepts the case [of alternative defendants] when the one pleads. 'It was your ox that did the damage,' and the other pleads. 'It was your ox that did the damage.' But is not this explicitly stated further on: If two oxen pursue another ox, and one of the defendants pleads. 'It was your ox that did the damage,' and the other defendant pleads, 'It was your ox that did the damage,' no liability could be attached to either of them?10 — What is first taught by implication is subsequently explained explicitly. In a Baraitha it has been taught: The exception refers to ownerless property.11 But in what circumstances? It can hardly be where an owned ox gored an ownerless ox, for who is there to institute an action? If on the other hand an ownerless ox gored an owned ox, why not go and take possession of the ownerless doer of the damage? — Somebody else has meanwhile stepped in and already acquired title to it.12 Rabina said: It excepts an ox which gored and subsequently became consecrated or an ox which gored and afterwards became ownerless.12 It has also been taught thus: Moreover said R. Judah:13 Even if after having gored, the ox was consecrated by the owner, or after having gored it was declared by him ownerless, he is exempt, as it is said, And it hath been testified to his owner and he hath not kept it in, but it hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned.14 That is so only where conditions are the same at the time of both the manslaughter and the appearance before the Court.15 Does not the final verdict also need to comply with this same condition? Surely the very verse, The ox shall be stoned, circumscribes also the final verdict! — Read therefore: That is so only when conditions are the same at the time of the manslaughter and the appearance before the Court and the final verdict.15

[_Yahoo Bot]

For some odd reason, this board is a refuge for the banned, the shunned, the ugly and the acne-ridden ugly nerd boy.

Not to mention latrine lawyers with horrifically bad teeth that like to troll the ex-Mormon message boards.

Tsk tsk. More name calling. Just don't email my partners again.

[_Kishkumen]

For some odd reason, this board is a refuge for the banned, the shunned, the ugly and the acne-ridden ugly nerd boy.

Bot has me pegged. I am banned. I am shunned. I am ugly. I am acne-ridden, and I am a total nerd.

Guess this is home!

[_Buffalo]

No really? My gosh, I didn't fathom that. My goodness, what a moron. I am.

Oh. Sarcasm.

[_Dr. Shades]

I have kept silent all weekend to see where things went and give Shades time to think things over and perhaps come up with a good plan to change his board from a staging platform for attackings members of this board to a board that discusses issues. Instead he has used the time to deflect blame onto me making his boards assault on Juliann and this "Board War" my creation.

NEMESIS: "His board's assault on Juliann?" What on earth do I have to do with that meme generator site? It isn't mine. I don't administrate it.

Dan, when will you get it through your incredibly thick skull that with one exception on the poll, every last person here, myself among them, denounced and disagreed with the attacks on Juliann? In fact, on the off-chance that the person reads this board, I went so far as to ask him or her to stop. Considering how often you read this board, it's incredible that you can be so selectively oblivious as you carry out your mindless jihad against this board's very existence.

Not only that, but the random wing nut who posted them also went after Kevin Graham. Kevin is hated by members of your board, not mine. This leads me to believe that the whole Juliann thing was a false flag operation (as someone else named it) with the intent to falsely lay the blame on us, but just couldn't refrain from getting his or her digs in on Kevin too.

I wish to remind him that all this drama has been created by posters of his board and himself promoting such behavior.

No, this drama has not been created by posters of [my] board. And no, I haven't ever, at any time, promoted such behavior. I specifically denounced it.

Lest you forget, it was one of your own, SeattleSmutWriter, who got this board shut down a week and a half ago. In other words, you and MA&D started this whole thing, not us. Don't shift the blame.

Even in Liz's attempt at reconciliation we see how she places blame on us stating they will stop attacking us if we stop attacking them. We have never started nor would I let this board be used to attack them.

Except for your "Nemesis-only" attack thread, of course.

I will give Liz a lot of credit at the attempt which has been drowned out by the minority once again. If she can continue to try to initiate change there I think it will be a huge benefit to the board and allow for some real reconciliation and perhaps healing will begin. However we will no longer sit quiet while Shades's board continues to be irresponsible and allows attacks on people that have no involvement with their board.

If you're referring to the Juliann memes, then we most definitely do not allow "attacks on people [who] have no involvement with [our] board." In fact, we don't even know who's behind them. Sheesh!

I will continue to hold Shades publicly accountable for any more attacks his board hosts on the posters or administration of this board and will continue documenting their antics.

Again, I don't know whether you're referring to the roundly-condemned Juliann memes or simply routine criticism in general. If the former, then good luck holding me "publicly accountable" for them, because I had absolutely nothing to do with them.

If he doesn't like that nor want be held personally accountable then he can make a very simple change that will improve his board and keep real people from being the targets of his participants. It is my hope they will initiate such change and that this will be my last post on the matter.

Please don't keep us in suspense, Nemesis/DanG: What, pray tell, is this "very simple change" that will improve [my] board, etc.?

[_MsJack]

We have never started nor would I let this board be used to attack them.

Except for your "Nemesis-only" attack thread, of course.

And Juliann accusing me of libel, and calling MDB "a certain board known for libeling Mormons who defend the faith." All this on an MDDB thread whose OP had absolutely nothing to do with MDB.

[_Bond James Bond]

The latest from Nemesis:

[Dr. Shade's name] wants to continue to deflect responsibility that he harbors a culture of irresponsible attacks that did stem from his board mormondiscussions dot com as outlined in the opening thread. I am fine with that, my name is not the one attached to a "hate site" dedicated to attacking a religion and its followers. Please continue to attack the anonymous "Nemesis/Dang" I don't think it will ever have the effect you intend. I will continue to announce and document the attacks that [Shades]'s board initiates on the posters of this board.

Nemesis

"Good...your hate has made you powerful." /Darth Sidious

[_Buffalo]

We have never started nor would I let this board be used to attack them.

Except for your "Nemesis-only" attack thread, of course.

And Juliann accusing me of libel, and calling MDB "a certain board known for libeling Mormons who defend the faith." All this on an MDDB thread whose OP had absolutely nothing to do with MDB.

I guess Juliann doesn't mind misogyny so much after all.

[_jskains]

Why is Juliann so highly regarded? She certainly creates a lot of talk. To me she is just an annoying attention whore who treats people who don't fall into her narrow box like trash.

JMHO.

JMS