Evolution Again!

[_DrW]

Ceeboo,

Derails aside (mine included), I'm curious to know if, having considered the VE hypothesis for evolution of eukaryotic organisms as described above, you would still claim that sexual reproduction and mitosis are impossible under DET.

Yes, I would (and do) still consider this to be impossible!

In addition, I am surprised that you would imply that these things are not really an issue/issues amongst the DET scientific community.

The reality is (from the wide and collective scientific community across the entire spectrum) that these things are among the greatest puzzles (as well as deepest challenges) that the DET proposal faces.

I am heading out to the lake with the family (going to try to set a hook in the mouths of some of my ancestors ) so I apologize for not engaging other posts that might appear from you in a timely manner.

Peace,
Ceeboo

Ceeboo,

So, let me get this straight.

In direct response to a question from you, a question to which you requested a response, I have provided some background information for you on the characteristics of, and differences among, prokaryotes, eukaryotes and viruses, referred you to a postulated mechanism for appearance of eukaryotic organisms (the ones that invented sex) in evolution, cited and provided a link to one of several papers supporting the postulated mechanism, and advised you that that if you were to go read about this mechanism for yourself, in an article that I excerpted on the thread, you would find references to several dozen more scientific papers of a similar nature.

Your response, without any indication that you have read or understood what I posted, or done any research on the subject whatsoever, and without citing any papers or literature to support your position, can be summarized as "nuh-uh".

No need to respond any further, my friend. It is pretty clear where this "discussion" is headed. I'll just get off here, thank you.

Hope you enjoy your weekend.

[_Ceeboo]

Your response, without any indication that you have read or understood what I posted, or done any research on the subject whatsoever, and without citing any papers or literature to support your position, can be summarized as "nuh-uh".

Nuh-uh!

No need to respond any further, my friend.

Okay.

Hope you enjoy your weekend.

You too, W.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Ceeboo]

Hello good people!

In case some of the people that are following this thread would like to merely consider an alternate view concerning the proposed evolution of sexual reproduction - I offer you this 9 minute Youtube video. (below)

If you are not interested in this consideration, please feel free to simply pass on watching it.

Either way (whether you are convinced that DET answers the question/questions that surround the evolution of sexual reproduction/Mitosis - or you, like me - find it severely lacking in answering those fundamental questions) I still enjoy the fascinating discussions.

Peace,
Ceeboo



http://youtu.be/WQIPIDMTN0o

[_honorentheos]

Hey Ceeboo,

Total derail, but I decided this thread was the perfect place to share my daughter taking 1st place in her middle school-wide science fair. Total prize: $100. (It cost about $60 to buy everything she needed, but that's beside the point.)

Her experiment was based on the initial question, "Why did plant chlorophyll evolve to be green?" but to make it testable, she revised it to be, "Does green chlorophyll help plants regulate temperature?" Even before the places were announced I had thought it was a great experience in learning about science, that the goal isn't to prove her hypothesis right so much as to find out what was true, and if she didn't place the results of doing the work were really praiseworthy.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey honor!

Hey Ceeboo,

Total derail, but I decided this thread was the perfect place to share my daughter taking 1st place in her middle school-wide science fair. Total prize: $100. (It cost about $60 to buy everything she needed, but that's beside the point.)

Congrats to your daughter!

Her experiment was based on the initial question, "Why did plant chlorophyll evolve to be green?" but to make it testable, she revised it to be, "Does green chlorophyll help plants regulate temperature?" Even before the places were announced I had thought it was a great experience in learning about science, that the goal isn't to prove her hypothesis right so much as to find out what was true, and if she didn't place the results of doing the work were really praiseworthy.

Cool!

I'm sure that you and the bride are quite proud!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Gunnar]

Hey Ceeboo,

Total derail, but I decided this thread was the perfect place to share my daughter taking 1st place in her middle school-wide science fair. Total prize: $100. (It cost about $60 to buy everything she needed, but that's beside the point.)

Her experiment was based on the initial question, "Why did plant chlorophyll evolve to be green?" but to make it testable, she revised it to be, "Does green chlorophyll help plants regulate temperature?" Even before the places were announced I had thought it was a great experience in learning about science, that the goal isn't to prove her hypothesis right so much as to find out what was true, and if she didn't place the results of doing the work were really praiseworthy.

Not really a total derail, in my opinion. The question definitely has evolutionary implications that Ceeboo can also accept with little or no reservation. I don't regard him as a dyed-in-the-wool YEC that has a knee-jerk rejection of every aspect of evolution and all that it implies.

Congratulations to your daughter! What did she conclude was the right answer to her revised question?

[_DrW]

Hey Ceeboo,

Total derail, but I decided this thread was the perfect place to share my daughter taking 1st place in her middle school-wide science fair. Total prize: $100. (It cost about $60 to buy everything she needed, but that's beside the point.)

Her experiment was based on the initial question, "Why did plant chlorophyll evolve to be green?" but to make it testable, she revised it to be, "Does green chlorophyll help plants regulate temperature?" Even before the places were announced I had thought it was a great experience in learning about science, that the goal isn't to prove her hypothesis right so much as to find out what was true, and if she didn't place the results of doing the work were really praiseworthy.

Congratulations to your daughter. It could well have been one of the best investments of $60.00 you will ever make.

[Guest]

Hey Ceeboo,

Total derail, but I decided this thread was the perfect place to share my daughter taking 1st place in her middle school-wide science fair. Total prize: $100. (It cost about $60 to buy everything she needed, but that's beside the point.)

Her experiment was based on the initial question, "Why did plant chlorophyll evolve to be green?" but to make it testable, she revised it to be, "Does green chlorophyll help plants regulate temperature?" Even before the places were announced I had thought it was a great experience in learning about science, that the goal isn't to prove her hypothesis right so much as to find out what was true, and if she didn't place the results of doing the work were really praiseworthy.

Not really a total derail, in my opinion. The question definitely has evolutionary implications that Ceeboo can also accept with little or no reservation. I don't regard him as a dyed-in-the-wool YEC that has a knee-jerk rejection of every aspect of evolution and all that it implies.

Congratulations to your daughter! What did she conclude was the right answer to her revised question?

Her experiment involved two parts. After it was all said and done the results concluded that leaves do regulate the amount of heat energy absorbed by the plant, but the color green does not explain it.

It was pretty cool, in that she had to spend a lot of time reading up on the light spectrum, heat energy, and chlorophyll in order to develop the experiment. But even more cool, she had results that did not support the hypothesis which was not what she wanted so we got to talk a little about the "why" of the entire enterprise. Winning helped underscore that point. The science teacher had outside professionals do the scoring along with his for the grade, so it was nice to have her get congratulations from "real scientists" for the question, experiment, and methods.

[_honorentheos]

Congrats to your daughter!

Thanks, Ceeboo.

[_honorentheos]

Hey Ceeboo,

Total derail, but I decided this thread was the perfect place to share my daughter taking 1st place in her middle school-wide science fair. Total prize: $100. (It cost about $60 to buy everything she needed, but that's beside the point.)

Her experiment was based on the initial question, "Why did plant chlorophyll evolve to be green?" but to make it testable, she revised it to be, "Does green chlorophyll help plants regulate temperature?" Even before the places were announced I had thought it was a great experience in learning about science, that the goal isn't to prove her hypothesis right so much as to find out what was true, and if she didn't place the results of doing the work were really praiseworthy.

Congratulations to your daughter. It could well have been one of the best investments of $60.00 you will ever make.

Thanks, DrW. It brought to mind an experience with her years ago while we were driving past a Christian University. She had asked why there needed to be Christian Universities? What did they teach? This particular one is of the type that presents an alternative biblical education experience, if you know what I mean. When I explained that for some people having the Bible taught in a certain way was important for them, out of no where she said, "They don't believe in evolution, do they?"

"Probably not."

"Why not? If you just look at it, it seems so obvious."

"Yeah. Yeah it does."

It might have helped that I read part of Your Inner Fish to her when she was into dinosaurs to explain what some paleontologists did for a job.