Mickelson Case: GA coverup cont.,

[Schreech]

Ron may be a narcissist, an asshole, a bad tempered, arrogant, domineering husband. An angry man. A terrible, selfish husband and awful father...but his kids...as adults...appear to love and respect him. Conversely, as adults, now with minds of their own, they have little time for their mother, sadly. If they were kids, I might believe all the above about Ron, but I trust the kids and they appear to support their dad. They don't need to, but they are the ones who lived through all this with him. That tells me a lot.

I don't have a legal background at all, but I did spend pretty much 3 months as a juror on a horrendous sex abuse case, and these cases are messy.

I'll stand corrected if I am wrong.

[_Res Ipsa]

I would like to backtrack and have someone point to the documentation that describes the catching of the wife's attorney in some sort of lie apparently by covertly tape recording something.

I would like to know the specifics of that situation if someone would please quickly summarize or point me to where I can find that information.

thanx

There is no documentation. There's is just Karren's blog post:

Kathleen McConkie pushed numerous times for contempt of court on trumped up charges, using various low-life ploys. On her last attempt (to be detailed in the releases), and I caught her in suborning perjury with Jean Mickelsen Berger, with a covert recording. To avoid losing her license, McConkie called a meeting to settle with me. I pushed for custody. It was technically called Primary Custody, but was no different than full custody in that children resided in my home full time, did not participate in parent-sharing time, nor did their mother press to enforce it.

I subsequently filed a complaint with the Utah State Board regarding Kathleen McConkie’s corrupt protocols, and breaking the law with suborning perjury, with no results.

http://www.lifeaftermormonism.net/profi ... e-cover-up

[_Res Ipsa]

Ron may be a narcissist, an asshole, a bad tempered, arrogant, domineering husband. An angry man. A terrible, selfish husband and awful father...but his kids...as adults...appear to love and respect him. Conversely, as adults, now with minds of their own, they have little time for their mother, sadly. If they were kids, I might believe all the above about Ron, but I trust the kids and they appear to support their dad. They don't need to, but they are the ones who llived with all this with him. That tells me a lot.

I don't have a legal background at all, but I did spend pretty much 3 months as a juror on a horrendous sex abuse case, and these cases are messy.

I'll stand corrected if I am wrong.

First, you are partly wrong. Here's what Ron actually said:

As of today, two of the kids have no relationship her (going on five years) because of her behavior and her treatment of them.

There are three kids.

Second, his adult children are so far silent. We don't know what they actually think about their parents. All we have is their father talking for them. We also have Ron claiming that their mother helped cover up her father's pedophilia. There is a lot of room here for parental alienation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_alienation

[_Rosebud]

What Ron describes is not "plea bargaining" or even the kind of "bargaining" that lawyers do. It is out and out blackmail. If the lawyer commits misconduct, the honest thing to do is make a bar complaint. It is dishonest to try and blackmail the lawyer into a settling the case.

But none of this is fact. It is just Karren's story. He hasn't backed it up with evidence. And, frankly, I don't believe it. This was his ex-wife's lawyer and the ex-wife was in control over what happened in the case. Clients typically don't agree to settle cases because the lawyer did something unethical. They fire the lawyer's ass, get a new one, and sue the old one.

We know the parents settled the custody issues because they were contained in a stipulated order. We don't know why the wife settled or what the court order says. Ron claims he was given "full custody." A lawyer who looked at the file said he wasn't. Ron responded to her with a bunch of tap dancing. He could have resolved that issue at any time by posting the divorce decree. He has it, and it would be a simple thing to do.

What's telling to me is that Karren uses the fact the fact that he supposedly won what he calls "full" custody to prove something positive about himself and negative about his ex-wife while also claiming that his ex-wife's attorney pushed for a settlement to protect her reputation after he recorded a conversation that would have gotten her in trouble. He wants ex-wife's attorney to be corrupt and under the influence of Mikelsen and Scott and his ex-wife to be less fit mother at the same time, but the evidence he provides to prove the attorney was corrupt also disproves the evidence he provides to prove that he was the more fit parent. Making claims about his own actions in divorce that demonstrate he unjustly took custody of his children from his wife seemingly without realizing that he's making himself look bad is telling. A more effective and charismatic manipulator wouldn't make these obvious mistakes. These are the mistakes of someone who has limitations in comprehending others' perspectives. It's still manipulative and cruel, but it's the kind of manipulative and cruel that discredits itself without realizing it discredits itself and while relentlessly continuing to force misery on others... to a bitter end that never seems to end.

[Guest]

I would like to backtrack and have someone point to the documentation that describes the catching of the wife's attorney in some sort of lie apparently by covertly tape recording something.

There is nothing. If K had a recording he would've posted as proof by now, I'm sure.

This guy is making crap up, and people like Amy Jo are just gobbling it up because they hate the Mormon church.

If I'm eventually proven wrong (and I doubt it), I'll cuddle naked with Yahoo Bot while watching Frozen.

- Doc

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I would like to backtrack and have someone point to the documentation that describes the catching of the wife's attorney in some sort of lie apparently by covertly tape recording something.

There is nothing. If K had a recording he would've posted as proof by now, I'm sure.

This guy is making s***, and people like Amy Jo are just gobbling it up because they hate the Mormon church.

If I'm eventually proven wrong (and I doubt it), I'll cuddle naked with Yahoo Bot while watching Frozen.

- Doc

[Schreech]

I understood that all 3 children had an uneasy relationship with their mother from part 1.

The level to which K.... was ostracized from both sides of our extended families was enormous; the current relationships in the family are evidence of the burden that all three children have had to bear

We have the annotated tape recording of the eldest son and his mother which gives some indication of the children's relationship. This taped interview was, according to Ron, done as a result of J... telling K.... that it was normal for men to get erections when children sit on their lap.

[_Mary]

I would like to backtrack and have someone point to the documentation that describes the catching of the wife's attorney in some sort of lie apparently by covertly tape recording something.

There is nothing. If K had a recording he would've posted as proof by now, I'm sure.

This guy is making s***, and people like Amy Jo are just gobbling it up because they hate the Mormon church.

If I'm eventually proven wrong (and I doubt it), I'll cuddle naked with Yahoo Bot while watching Frozen.

- Doc

This has nothing to do with hating the Mormon church and everything to do with how leaders tackle pedophilia and pedophiles.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

This has nothing to do with hating the Mormon church and everything to do with how leaders tackle pedophilia and pedophiles.

Uh. No. M hasn't been proven to be one, and what do you want the Church to do about it?

"Uh, hey man, uh, your ex-Son-in-Law is claiming you diddled your daughter and grand-daughter. Is that, uh... True?"

"That's outrageous! I'll sue him for slander or libel or, or, or SOMETHING! By God I'll clear my name!"

"Uh. Hey. Uh, no. Uh. Don't do that. It'll just bring negative attention to the Church, Brother M. Tell you what. Let's just lay low. It'll all blow over, anyhow. You don't want to hurt the Church's image do you?"

"Well, I, ah, well, no. Shoot! Dangnabit! Well, I suppose I can keep my trap shut for the good of the Church."

"Thanks, Brother M. You're on fleek."

- Doc

[_AmyJo]

There is nothing. If K had a recording he would've posted as proof by now, I'm sure.

This guy is making s***, and people like Amy Jo are just gobbling it up because they hate the Mormon church.

If I'm eventually proven wrong (and I doubt it), I'll cuddle naked with Yahoo Bot while watching Frozen.

- Doc

I don't hate the Mormon church. I do hate liars and perverts.

Isn't it ironic that the Mormon church has more than its fair share of both?