Nelsons daughter and son-in-law accused of sex abuse

[_Lemmie]

It looks like there's another current connection to the era of moral panic over "recovered memories" and "ritual abuse."

Apparently there is a spiritual guru from Utah named "Teal Swan".

Gizmodo has a six-part series about her.

The Gateway: Teal Swan

Part five investigates the connection between Teal Swan and...Barbara Snow.

Swan claims that she was a victim of Satanic ritual abuse — memories of which she claims she repressed and later recovered with the help of a therapist in Salt Lake City, Utah, who encouraged her to go to the police to open an investigation in 2005. Swan’s claims include that she was once sewn into a corpse by a Mormon Satanic cult.

However, that investigation came to a halt when it was discovered that Swan’s therapist (pictured above) was at the center of several nearly identical — and similarly questionable — allegations of Satanic ritual abuse in Utah during the throes of the Satanic Panic.

You must listen to that podcast (episode #5) if you want to understand how Barbara Snow does what she does.

I already posted some of this, in response to someone who thought (incorrectly) that Snow took good notes and videos of sessions during this time period, but this below from your link is incredibly damning:

...Bullock appealed in 2002 and his request for a new trial was denied. The judges, however, wrote a scathing opinion of Snow’s methods:

"...Dr. Snow also testified extensively about her interview techniques, and she acknowledged that she did not record her interviews with the children, take notes during the interviews, or write reports following the interviews.

Indeed, Dr. Snow admitted that her “own integrity” was the only way of verifying what had occurred during the interview sessions....
[…]
“Snow intentionally failed to preserve critical evidence of her initial and subsequent interviews in spite of the fact that she knew such interviews were critically important to both the prosecution and the defense in ascertaining the truth of the allegations she ascribed to the children. In addition, such failure was accomplished in complete bad faith since she had been requested numerous times to do so by the police and by other therapists.

Wow. I'm having a difficult time understanding how a therapist could behave so irresponsibly.

[_Mary]

It looks like there's another current connection to the era of moral panic over "recovered memories" and "ritual abuse."

Apparently there is a spiritual guru from Utah named "Teal Swan".

Gizmodo has a six-part series about her.

The Gateway: Teal Swan

Part five investigates the connection between Teal Swan and...Barbara Snow.

Swan claims that she was a victim of Satanic ritual abuse — memories of which she claims she repressed and later recovered with the help of a therapist in Salt Lake City, Utah, who encouraged her to go to the police to open an investigation in 2005. Swan’s claims include that she was once sewn into a corpse by a Mormon Satanic cult.

However, that investigation came to a halt when it was discovered that Swan’s therapist (pictured above) was at the center of several nearly identical — and similarly questionable — allegations of Satanic ritual abuse in Utah during the throes of the Satanic Panic.

You must listen to that podcast (episode #5) if you want to understand how Barbara Snow does what she does.

Teal Swan is a crazy case. From what I am reading the therapist did not validate her claims. Teal was always a fantasist and the therapy was to try and normalize her psychopathic and schizophrenic tendencies.

I'd like evidence of this, Cinepro.

[_Lemmie]

Teal Swan is a crazy case. From what I am reading the therapist did not validate her claims. Teal was always a fantasist and the therapy was to try and normalize her psychopathic and schizophrenic tendencies.

That doesn't seem to match the news and court documents, could you post your reference that Snow didn't validate Teal's claims?

[_cinepro]

Teal Swan is a crazy case. From what I am reading the therapist did not validate her claims. Teal was always a fantasist and the therapy was to try and normalize her psychopathic and schizophrenic tendencies.

I'd like evidence of this, Cinepro.

Evidence of what, exactly? And what are you reading?

[Guest]

I'm also still interested in what Rosebud is reading about the same therapist, that says she recorded interviews:

...So far, in what I've read, Barbara Snow did a good job with having witnesses at the interviews of the children and making video recordings. Those records can be analyzed for leading questions, children's behaviors can be coded, etc.

According to the court records I've read, she did NOT accurately document her interviews at all, so it would be interesting to see Rosebud's sources that say differently.

[_Rosebud]

Teal Swan is a crazy case. From what I am reading the therapist did not validate her claims. Teal was always a fantasist and the therapy was to try and normalize her psychopathic and schizophrenic tendencies.

I'd like evidence of this, Cinepro.

Evidence of what, exactly? And what are you reading?

I'm not going to listen to a podcast that is advertised from a website that appears to be a sensationalization; as I have said so many times that my repetition is even beginning to get to me, I believe all the sensationalization is a huge part of the problem.

I do not know what the claims are because I haven't listened to the podcast. I assume someone who has listened to the podcast could list them.

Then, I would like evidence of the claims.

I would like evidence of all sensationalized claims because that seems fair seeing as how the sensationalized claims are asking for evidence of abuse. As far as evidence of the abuse, I have recommended looking at the 1995 Report from the Office of the Attorney General of Utah and then requesting the documentation from the 2-year investigation that appears to be available to the public if an appropriate request is made. I assume in reading the documentation from that investigation one would be able to glean more information regarding why the Office of the Attorney General came to the conclusion the abuse was real. It would be interesting tol be able to look at the evidence and confessions the investigators gathered.

for what it's worth, I linked to this Teal Swan webpage at the beginning of this thread. My point is that traditional media seems to be supporting the sensationalized claims against Barbara Snow rather than accurately reporting on what the Attorney General reports actually found. I have a problem with that -- hopefully I'm wrong about it. I'm hoping we will find archived newspaper articles that do more than try to discredit therapists.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

... traditional media seems to be supporting the sensationalized claims against Barbara Snow rather than accurately reporting on what the Attorney General reports actually found.

Would you mind sharing your sources or media coverage where you formed your opinion? This could be illuminating.

- Doc

[_Lemmie]

My point is that traditional media seems to be supporting the sensationalized claims against Barbara Snow rather than accurately reporting on what the Attorney General reports actually found. I have a problem with that -- hopefully I'm wrong about it. I'm hoping we will find archived newspaper articles that do more than try to discredit therapists.

Actually, cinepro's link contains quite a bit of accurate information that in no way can be defined as "traditional media...supporting the sensationalized claims."

For example, from cinepro's link, there was a 2002 court decision where the court weighed in with their assessment of Snow's methods:

...Bullock appealed in 2002 and his request for a new trial was denied. The judges, however, wrote a scathing opinion of Snow’s methods:

"...Dr. Snow also testified extensively about her interview techniques, and she acknowledged that she did not record her interviews with the children, take notes during the interviews, or write reports following the interviews.

Indeed, Dr. Snow admitted that her “own integrity” was the only way of verifying what had occurred during the interview sessions....
[…]
“Snow intentionally failed to preserve critical evidence of her initial and subsequent interviews in spite of the fact that she knew such interviews were critically important to both the prosecution and the defense in ascertaining the truth of the allegations she ascribed to the children. In addition, such failure was accomplished in complete bad faith since she had been requested numerous times to do so by the police and by other therapists.

There has been quite a bit of verified information that in no way can be described as "sensationalized" that discusses the behavior of Snow. Her role in the ritual abuse panic as it played out in Utah is significant, and should be a significant part of this story.

[_Lemmie]

This part of the story has also bothered me since i first read about it in Marion Smith's account:

It also claims a 16-year-old babysitter was both a victim and perpetrator of abuse (who later committed suicide).
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2018/10/l ... president/

The best I can piece together, this babysitter was one of the ones (most likely falsely) accused by Dr. Snow.

I have no doubt her suicide was the direct result of being swept up in Dr. Snow's execrable "therapy."

[_Rosebud]

... traditional media seems to be supporting the sensationalized claims against Barbara Snow rather than accurately reporting on what the Attorney General reports actually found.

Would you mind sharing your sources or media coverage where you formed your opinion? This could be illuminating.

- Doc

Most of the links are already here in this thread or in the other thread about documents, media sources, etc.

As sorting through threads is too much of a task for anyone, Mary is working on a chronological summary document with links that you can get to in my signature. It's a work in progress as my guess is that this isn't going to be over anytime soon since it's already been festering for decades.