Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Doctor Scratch]

Hi there, LoaP. As I said to you recently, I believe that you (as of late, anyhow; one can still see vestiges of the old "snarky"--to borrow your term--LoaP) seem to represent a kind of vanguard in Mopologetics, along with people like Bokovoy and (perhaps) the narrator. This is a Mopologetics that eschews smear campaigns and vendettas and that, instead, favors a scholarly professionalism that has been, at best, a secondary concern of the current, reigning Mopologetic regime.

So, apart from your rather bizarre remarks pertaining to me (that seems to be quite some grudge you're carrying, ol' buddy), I think your comments here are laudable.

I don't really think "mopologetics" as you outline it exists as a viable, unedited category, so when you call me a vanguard it doesn't really make sense to me.

Oh, it's not hard to understand. Try this on for size: it's clear that you recognize that there is a problem with some aspects of Mopologetics (or LDS apologetics, or Mormon apologetics, or whatever nomenclature you're willing to accept), and you've resolved to do something about it. Well, I *agree* with you, LoaP. I think it represents a positive new direction for Mopologetics---a "vanguard," if you will. Why you insist on arguing over this is frankly baffling.

Peace.

Same to you, ol' buddy.

[_Simon Belmont]

Jersey Girl: which side did I take?

I pointed out that there is no doubt Will said the things he has been documented to say. I also pointed out that I do not agree with Internet lynch mobbing.

Which side did I take?

[_Doctor Scratch]

Here's a question: to what extent do people think that Will's comments re: Maxwell Institute people "yukking it up" are plausible? LoaP has said that people on the FAIR list never said anything, but then again, were they ever made aware of this stuff? Would some of the female members---like Jan and Juliann---find it offensive, or would they consider it to be OK since it was directed at old nemeses like Harmony and Beastie?

Frankly, I think it's a tough call, but I err on the side of "believable," given the MI Mopologists' long history of attack, locker-room antics, and what have you. After Skinny-L, "Metcalfe is Butthead," "Korihor has a press," Midgley's "You still selling books by that queer," mockery of the Jewish wedding ceremony, and Hamblin's K-word-laced rant, I'm kind of thinking that Will's claim holds water. So many of these MI apologists have been so utterly hell-bent on revenge for so many years that I rather suspect that they *would* find these kinds of attacks "funny." Heck, these are the people who found it amusing to dig through and post the gruesome details of Walter Martin's death report. Plus, they represent the ancien regime of Mopologetics, and they grew up on GA talks that characterized a "woman's role" in a way that the new, Bokovoy-headed vanguard seems less likely to accept.

So: a tough call. I think that LoaP is right to put pressure on the powers-that-be, regardless.

[_Simon Belmont]

Here's a question: to what extent do people think that Will's comments re: Maxwell Institute people "yukking it up" are plausible? LoaP has said that people on the FAIR list never said anything, but then again, were they ever made aware of this stuff? Would some of the female members---like Jan and Juliann---find it offensive, or would they consider it to be OK since it was directed at old nemeses like Harmony and Beastie?

Frankly, I think it's a tough call, but I err on the side of "believable," given the MI Mopologists' long history of attack, locker-room antics, and what have you. After Skinny-L, "Metcalfe is Butthead," "Korihor has a press," Midgley's "You still selling books by that queer," mockery of the Jewish wedding ceremony, and Hamblin's K-word-laced rant, I'm kind of thinking that Will's claim holds water. So many of these MI apologists have been so utterly hell-bent on revenge for so many years that I rather suspect that they *would* find these kinds of attacks "funny." Heck, these are the people who found it amusing to dig through and post the gruesome details of Walter Martin's death report. Plus, they represent the ancien regime of Mopologetics, and they grew up on GA talks that characterized a "woman's role" in a way that the new, Bokovoy-headed vanguard seems less likely to accept.

So: a tough call. I think that LoaP is right to put pressure on the powers-that-be, regardless.

Why do you enjoy making LoAP feel bad?

[_Jersey Girl]

Here's a question: to what extent do people think that Will's comments re: Maxwell Institute people "yukking it up" are plausible? LoaP has said that people on the FAIR list never said anything, but then again, were they ever made aware of this stuff? Would some of the female members---like Jan and Juliann---find it offensive, or would they consider it to be OK since it was directed at old nemeses like Harmony and Beastie?

Frankly, I think it's a tough call, but I err on the side of "believable," given the MI Mopologists' long history of attack, locker-room antics, and what have you. After Skinny-L, "Metcalfe is Butthead," "Korihor has a press," Midgley's "You still selling books by that queer," mockery of the Jewish wedding ceremony, and Hamblin's K-word-laced rant, I'm kind of thinking that Will's claim holds water. So many of these MI apologists have been so utterly hell-bent on revenge for so many years that I rather suspect that they *would* find these kinds of attacks "funny." Heck, these are the people who found it amusing to dig through and post the gruesome details of Walter Martin's death report. Plus, they represent the ancien regime of Mopologetics, and they grew up on GA talks that characterized a "woman's role" in a way that the new, Bokovoy-headed vanguard seems less likely to accept.

So: a tough call. I think that LoaP is right to put pressure on the powers-that-be, regardless.

Why do you enjoy making LoAP feel bad?

There is nothing in the above that could, should or would make LoaP "feel bad". Either get on topic or I will report you for attempting to derail this thread.

[_RockSlider]

Here's a question: to what extent do people think that Will's comments re: Maxwell Institute people "yukking it up" are plausible? LoaP has said that people on the FAIR list never said anything, but then again, were they ever made aware of this stuff? Would some of the female members---like Jan and Juliann---find it offensive, or would they consider it to be OK since it was directed at old nemeses like Harmony and Beastie?

I can not image anyone who would condone William misogyny Schryver's antics in this regard. At fair, mi or otherwise. I believe the majority of these people are level headed and good people, more in line with the Loap's and David B's of the world. I doubt that DCP would even be yukking this up in the background either. I assume William's beliefs in how others view him are likely not in touch with reality.

[_Jersey Girl]

Scratch: you missed this from LoAP

As far as I'm concerned you're simply a character who is part of the circus that embarrasses me and makes me feel bad.

Do you see those last four words? What do you have to say for yourself?

Do you see the report button? This is the Celestial Forum. Stop baiting the posters on this thread.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

With the amazing proliferation of the lynch mob, I think this thread has now reached critical mass and can officially qualify as group hysteria. Perhaps a commemorative medalian is in order--embosed with an icon comprised of pitch forks and torches and the phrase, "Vulgas Mente, multisque unus" (Mob Mentality, many against the one)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hello,

I find it interesting that the other noted hater-of-women/women's behavior is Mr. Schryver's most vocal supporter. Very interesting, indeed.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[Guest]

With the amazing proliferation of the lynch mob, I think this thread has now reached critical mass and can officially qualify as group hysteria. Perhaps a commemorative medalian is in order--embosed with an icon comprised of pitch forks and torches and the phrase, "Vulgas Mente, multisque unus" (Mob Mentality, many against the one)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hello,

I find it interesting that the other noted hater-of-women/women's behavior is Mr. Schryver's most vocal supporter. Very interesting, indeed.

V/R
Dr. Cam

lol, so true

[_RockSlider]

Worse yet, my most grevious sin, which has undoubtable put my soul in eternal danger, is to have been only luke warm in my support of the selective mobocracy here.

Actually I'll bet it deals more with what cam just pointed out/