Why I am not a Mormon

[_GoodK]

You sir, are a sad, pathetically insecure, human being.

Shall I forward my response to him, or can I count on you to do that?

Can you at least upgrade his membership to Liahona for this fiasco you've put us both through?

All I want from you is an apology, but you at least owe that to him.

[_Daniel Peterson]

But, of course, not by your own behavior.

Quite correct.

I've said sufficiently often that I don't think that there's anything even remotely ethically problematic in sending a friend a link to a post on a public message board. You disagree.

You can repeat your claim as often as you care to do so. It won't change my fundamental response, which is that there's nothing even remotely ethically problematic in sending a friend a link to a post on a public message board.

[_Jersey Girl]

GoodK,

I hope that these are my last comments in the thread. I don't claim to understand what it is like to be a member of your family nor do I understand everything that being male entails. I do understand some of the things that very young boys do to sort things out. Not speaking of you personally in that regard, just saying that I have some inkling of the evolutionary development of males.

I want to tell you this story because when I read your post, it's the image that came directly to mind. When I was a little girl, I used to travel to New York in summer to stay with folks who used to be our neighbors. I actually was born in New York. They had a wonderful farm and a total of nine children. Only one was female. I loved going there so much. I got to help bail hay, milk cows, swim in cold water creeks and engage in apple throwing fights. Those are memories that I hold dear.

One summer I saw something that I'd never seen ever in my life. The Dad and the son began to argue in the living room. I don't recall what the argument was about but I stood there shocked beyond disbelief when the son punched his father. I had never seen violence in my life and certainly had never seen a son ever go up against his own father for I was brought up in a time when children "respected their elders".

I'm largely glad for this time when children are encouraged to say what they think and feel. I encouraged it in my own children and today I believe that they are better thinkers for that process I welcomed and encouraged even though there were times when I felt hurt by it.

GoodK, I don't know your family situation and as I stated previously, it's none of our damn business. I support your right to express what you think and feel to your parents because one day, I hope it will help them to accept and appreciate the strong man that you are becoming. My only request to you right now GoodK, is that you please stop punching your father where I can see it.

In Jersey we have a saying "putting someone's crap in the street" and what that means for you Utah folks ;-) is disclosing personal things that will embarrass someone. GoodK, in my experience, when two people go about the business of putting eachother's crap in the street, the only place they end up is knee deep in crap.

Please choose another way to do this.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

But, of course, not by your own behavior.

Quite correct.

If nothing else, Dan is predictable.

I've said sufficiently often that I don't think that there's anything even remotely ethically problematic in sending a friend a link to a post on a public message board. You disagree.

You continue to use the qualifier "ethically" as if it saves you. It doesn't. What you did was wrong, period. Butt out of another family's affairs, bishop.

You can repeat your claim as often as you care to do so. It won't change my fundamental response, which is that there's nothing even remotely ethically problematic in sending a friend a link to a post on a public message board.

There's that "ethically" again. I'm amazed how a man of your intelligence can be so obtuse.

[_Chap]

My only request to you right now GoodK, is that you please stop punching your father where I can see it.

Um, are you sure, after having read his father's letter, that you have this thing the right way round?

[_Chap]

... a fair minded person that doesn't have any pre-conceived distortions and/or misconceptions about Mormonism and its people ...

Somehow, I suspect you don't just mean the average Joe in the street here.

[_Jersey Girl]

My only request to you right now GoodK, is that you please stop punching your father where I can see it.

Um, are you sure, after having read his father's letter, that you have this thing the right way round?

I'm just not going to involve myself in this further, Chap. You can read my replies on this thread.

[_Joey]

Ya know, most people, after stepping in a pile of it, would do the normal thing: recognize it and try to clean in off.

I have to admit, until now, I had never seen anyone step in it and then walk into the homes of others while trying rationalize why the stink and mess it leaves is nothing to be ashamed of!!!!

Simply amazing!

[_GoodK]

I'm really eager to hear from Brother Crockett. Send me a PM if you are around and have anything to say about this.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

I'm really eager to hear from Brother Crockett. Send me a PM if you are around and have anything to say about this.

He may send you a PM, but I bet Bob won't came anywhere near this -- even Bob can see how badly Dan screwed up and wants nothing to do with it (besides, Bob comes out of this looking good, since he had the good sense not to send your post to your dad, whereas Dan ...).