MILLIONS spent by LDS Inc on new MMM book

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I would prefer to read the study and judge it by its arguments. Given that I don't smoke, and that I believe people can smoke if they want to, and given that I haven't formerly smoked nor do I plan on smoking, and that I don't spend time every day making fun of or questioning tobacco companies, I really wouldn't be too interested in the study in the first place. Additionally, your example doesn't really parallel the Turley book.


Your answer is disingenuous. Any person with half a brain in his/her head would immediately recognize the conflict of interest and apply analytical skepticism to the study.

DCP admitted, on this thread, that if serious evidence were uncovered that proved that BY ordered the attack, that it would cast serious doubt on his calling as prophet. I'm sure the leaders of the LDS church agree with that assessment. The LDS church has an explicit agenda, which is to increase belief in the LDS church in order to help people attain salvation and exaltation. Two apostles have recently stated that true facts that could prove detrimental to faith ought not to be shared, and, in fact, any faithful historian who chose to share those facts would have his/her own salvation at risk.

The LDS church funded this book. The authors are employees of the LDS church. The LDS church has a vested interest in the outcome. Apparently two apostles reviewed the text before its publications.

This is as clear a case of conflict of interest as the aforementioned tobacco study, and the fact that you provided an extremely disingenuous answer to the my tobacco example proves that you know it's a clear case of conflict of interest.

Once again, this statement does not mean that the text is inaccurate, any more than it would mean the tobacco study would be inaccurate. What it does mean is buyer beware.
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Seen the book yet, beastie?

I didn't get to it right away, but I'm reading it now, very slowly. A chapter a day.

My bet is that this thread will still be going strong, and that virtually nobody else on the thread will have looked at the book yet, even after I finish it.

Fascinating.
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Seen the book yet, beastie?

I didn't get to it right away, but I'm reading it now, very slowly. A chapter a day.

My bet is that this thread will still be going strong, and that virtually nobody else on the thread will have looked at the book yet, even after I finish it.

Fascinating.


No, I haven't bought the book yet and am not sure I will.

Now, I would be "fascinated" if you could point to posts of mine that actually criticized the book's content. Thanks so much.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:Seen the book yet, beastie?

I didn't get to it right away, but I'm reading it now, very slowly. A chapter a day

Fascinating.


Well don't let that stop you from posting some gushing review on Amazon tonight..
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Re: MILLIONS spent by LDS Inc on new MMM book

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beastie wrote:Now, I would be "fascinated" if you could point to posts of mine that actually criticized the book's content. Thanks so much.

Why on earth would you want me to do that?

Do you have any other requests? Would you like me to stand on one leg while singing Imagine, perhaps? Should I recite the Gettysburg Address backwards? Eat minnestrone soup twelve days in a row?
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Why on earth would you want me to do that?

Do you have any other requests? Would you like me to stand on one leg while singing Imagine, perhaps? Should I recite the Gettysburg Address backwards? Eat minnestrone soup twelve days in a row?


Well, you keep insinuating that I am critiquing the book without having read it, so it only makes sense that you offered at least a shred of evidence supporting that charge.

Of course, I have zero expectation that you will do that, and zero expectation that you will differentiate between noting an obvious conflict of interest and actually critiquing the book.
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My principal amusement here is seeing so lengthy a thread regarding a book that virtually nobody on the thread has so much as seen.

If you feel personally singled out, well, you feel personally singled out.
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My principal amusement here is seeing so lengthy a thread regarding a book that virtually nobody on the thread has so much as seen.

If you feel personally singled out, well, you feel personally singled out.


DCP's previous comment:

Seen the book yet, beastie?

I didn't get to it right away, but I'm reading it now, very slowly. A chapter a day

Fascinating.


So, DCP, tell me. Are you able to differentiate between noting a conflict of interest and critiquing the book?
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beastie wrote:So, DCP, tell me. Are you able to differentiate between noting a conflict of interest and critiquing the book?

Yes. What a silly question.

I still find it amusing that a thread like this has gone on so long about a book that most here have never seen and that many here are vowing never to read.

That's pretty funny.

If my laughing at the thread offends you, you have my hearty apologies. But I'll still find it funny.
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Yes. What a silly question.


Almost as silly as you insinuating there was something strange about me feeling "singled out" after you, well, you know, singled me out.

I still find it amusing that a thread like this has gone on so long about a book that most here have never seen and that many here are vowing never to read.


It's gone on this long for one reason - critics are pointing out a very obvious conflict of interest, and believers are acting as if it's a ridiculous assertion, and act as if people who haven't read the book can't reasonably point out a conflict of interest.


That's pretty funny.


I actually agree. It amuses me every time you dodge away from the conflict of interest and try to create a diversion by implying posters are critiquing the content of the book.

If my laughing at the thread offends you, you have my hearty apologies. But I'll still find it funny


Let me give you a helpful hint: whenever you feel the impulse to project emotions onto me, don't. Every time you've done it you've been wrong. We are enjoying the thread for entirely different reasons, which is probably why it is continuing.
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