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[_Jason Bourne]

I have a problem with your last sentence, Jason.

You do, do you?

The Mormon church also denies the priesthood to women. Are you lumping women with homosexuals?

No. I was just using it as an example. All Church's and even some fraternal organizations and clubs have rules and restrictions. Don't like the rules, don't join the club.

That it's okay to discriminate against women because the church has the right to discriminate as it sees fit?

I did not say that. But I do grant the LDS Church the right to grant or restrict membership based on its own rules and to grant or withhold priesthood based on their rules even if I do not agree with it. If I get to the point my disagreement is enough then I can chose to vote with my feet.

Gay men are allowed to hold the priesthood, if I remember correctly.

Not gay men who have sexual relations with other men. Celibate gay men yes.

So essentially the only group the church discriminates against is women.

I would be happy to grant the women the priesthood. But really, is it discrimination? One might argue that gays are more discriminated against. Women can be members, hold position, attend the temple, even do ordinance work in the temple. The church will ex you for being a practicing gay person. But they don't ex you for being a practicing woman.

[_Gazelam]

Somewhere in this thread I read Jerseys comment that homosexuality is akin to alcoholism.

that's an interesting and thought provoking statement. I'm gonna mull that over.

[_Roger Morrison]

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Do you think conceptually "sin" is similar to "universal ethics"? By universal ethics I mean that the reasons given for why an act is morally right or wrong can be argued for objectively and accepted.


To a certain extent. But there certainly can be and is the "God says it so do it" attitude that can bring us problems at times. For example, when Joseph Smith was trying to persuade Nancy Rigdon to enter plural marriage with him he wrote in a letter that in essence said what God says goes and sometimes he changes his commands. At one point he may say thou shalt not kill and another go and destroy. Of course his argument was that God was now saying it was a ok to have more than one wife. All I can think when I read this letter by Smith is "Well if what you say is true I am going to be damn sure the man that says God is commanding and changing his mind is really speaking for God before I follow it." And of course that is problematic now isn't it. It puts a lot of power into the hands of that person that claims God is speaking through him.

So, for me it is somewhat of a dilemma at times.

Jason, I related to your last sentence. Consequently I am going to do a "New Topic" stemming from the book I am finishing, "Churches That Abuse". I found it most interesting and relative to LDS evolution through time, to their present state of governance...
Roger
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