Joseph Smith wrote witnesses statement

[_Darth J]

The problem with labeling David Whitmer as an apostate is that it is impossible. David Whitmer received authority directly from God. I believe David Whitmer when he says that God told him such-and-such thing. Plus, David Whitmer assures us in An Address to All Believers in Christ that the Holy Ghost will confirm that he (David) is telling the truth. So I am convinced that he was not apostate. It was the Latter-day Saints who went apostate. He is a witness for that, just like he is a witness that the Book of Mormon is true.

[_gdemetz]

You guys are only making assumptions to agree with what you want to believe! I repeat, do you know exactly when David received that "revelation" from God telling him to separate?! If you really know what you are talking about, then just give me the date of the receipt of that "revelation"!

[_Drifting]

You guys are only making assumptions to agree with what you want to believe!

No irony to see here...move along...

[_gdemetz]

Yea, I agree!

[_harmony]

You guys are only making assumptions to agree with what you want to believe! I repeat, do you know exactly when David received that "revelation" from God telling him to separate?! If you really know what you are talking about, then just give me the date of the receipt of that "revelation"!

So I'm assuming by this that you have the date and the revelation for the restoration of the higher priesthood? Hint: what's in the D&C is neither.

On a more appropriate note: recording personal revelations hs never been standard practice. Only revelations that affect the whole church have been routinely recorded (or made up, whole cloth, to solve a later problem).

[_Darth J]

You guys are only making assumptions to agree with what you want to believe! I repeat, do you know exactly when David received that "revelation" from God telling him to separate?! If you really know what you are talking about, then just give me the date of the receipt of that "revelation"!

An Address to All Believers in Christ, Chapter 2

......and, as I rode on horseback out of Far West, in June, 1838, the voice of God from heaven spake to me as I have stated above. I was called out to hold the authority which God gave to me.

Now tell me the date of the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood. Or the date of the First Vision.

[_MCB]

So I am convinced that he was not apostate. It was the Latter-day Saints who went apostate. He is a witness for that, just like he is a witness that the Book of Mormon is true.

The markers of apostasy in the Book of Mormon are self-evident, numerous and obvious. The LDS church is in apostasy from the best of the Book of Mormon, many times over.

[_gdemetz]

Hogwash, MCB! Yea, Darth, as he was riding out from far west, he received the alleged revelation to separate from the saints, and later he taught many apostate things! Judas may have taught many good things too, and Baalam also, before they became apostates, but can you really trust what someone says AFTER they become an apostate?! I say NO. However, it is interesting to me that he never denied the same witness that all the others had. He could have, but if he had, he would have lost credibility.

[_harmony]

Hogwash, MCB! Yea, Darth, as he was riding out from far west, he received the alleged revelation to separate from the saints, and later he taught many apostate things! Judas may have taught many good things too, and Baalam also, before they became apostates, but can you really trust what someone says AFTER they become an apostate?! I say NO. However, it is interesting to me that he never denied the same witness that all the others had. He could have, but if he had, he would have lost credibility.

Ummm... not a believer in the Atonement, I see.

[_gdemetz]

Of course, I am???