Dynasitc Marriages-Doctrinal Question

[_charity]

About blessings. God's blessings aren't counted in fancy houses, easy living, and the acceptance of the world.

So you think it's a blessing to have your leader killed.

Joseph earned the eternal blessing of giving his life for the Lord. And for the others? We only become stronger through trials.

And you think it's a blessing to be thrown out of your own home into the snow with no provisions and only the clothes on your back.

"If thou endure it will, it shall be for thy good and give thee experience."

And you think it's a blessing to have your children or your spouse die of exposure.

See above.

I'll pass on your "blessings", thanks.

That's why some people are award winning athletes and some are couch potatoes. You get what you pay for.

And someone better tell the members who are living in those million dollar homes on Recommend Ridge above SLC that their lifestyle isn't a blessing from God. I'm sure they're thanking the wrong entity every night in their prayers.

What other people are blessed or cursed with is none of my business. Or yours.

[_sunstoned]

So, why do you think that those who knew Joseph Smith the best, worked with him everyday, followed him as they were chased from place to place to place did so if they thuoght he had an affair and lost the spiriti? They were in a better position to know you any of you.

Uh, charity, I'm sure it's occurred to you that some of those who knew him best were in on the plural marriage thing. Or did that escape you?

And they didn't all follow him. Perhap you prefer to ignore those who didn't.. you know... the Oliver Cowdery's... the William Law's... they were the ones who wanted to expose him... because they knew him best.

Oliver Cowdery came back. William Law was an adulterer who got caught and wanted revenge. None of Joseph's close companions wanted to have to live the law of plural marriage. I think it is projection on the part of many here who assume that men were more than eager to have multiple wives. Get your minds out the gutter, those of you who are guilty.

All of the original witnesses left the church. Joseph Smith own family and wife left the church. Oliver came back long after Joseph was dead. William Law did nothing that was not modeled for him by Joseph Smith.

BY, Heber Kimball and others of the Mormon elite had many dozens of wives. If they had any initial reluctance to polygamy, they sure got over it quickly.

BY was well into his 50s and yet married a teen ager. What was his motivation here? To fulfill some godly commandment or to satisfy his lust? Give me a break.

[_Brackite]

Hello again,

The Second LDS President Brigham Young, Also stated:

The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessing offered unto them, and they refused to accept them.

( Journal of Discourses, Volume #11. )

The Following is From About.com:

How many boys are born for every 100 girls?

There are 105 boy babies born for ever 100 girl babies worldwide but scientists haven't determined why this sex ratio is so.

( http://geography.about.com/library/faq/ ... eratio.htm )

However, Polyandry will Not be able to be Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, according to LDS Doctrine. The Following is from Doctrine and Covenants Section 132, verses 61-64:

Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:61-64:

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

[_the road to hana]

This time the Church is not going to fall into apostacy.

Right, because this time they have the super-duper get-out-of-jail-free-card guarantee that it won't.

[_ludwigm]

Uh, charity, I'm sure it's occurred to you that some of those who knew him best were in on the plural marriage thing. Or did that escape you?
And they didn't all follow him. ...

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None of Joseph's close companions wanted to have to live the law of plural marriage. I think it is projection on the part of many here who assume that men were more than eager to have multiple wives. Get your minds out the gutter, those of you who are guilty.

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BY, Heber Kimball and others of the Mormon elite had many dozens of wives. If they had any initial reluctance to polygamy, they sure got over it quickly.
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I have read this "reluctance" thing on ldsfaq.BYU.edu.

Joseph was reluctant to introduce the practice and did so only after divine warning.

Although initially averse to the idea, Brigham Young entered into plural marriages, believing it was the Lord's will for him.

Joseph Smith had 30-40 wives, BY had more than 50.

Please tell me, how many wives would have had* them, without reluctance and aversion? Three hundred? Thousand as Salamon had?
Divine warning? The Lord's will? Let me alone!

(*I am not certain in using the proper tense and mode. Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

[_the road to hana]

(*I am not certain in using the proper tense and mode. Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

You are not wrong.

[_Yoda]

My daughter applied for position as psychiatric intake aide at a hospital in Texas a few years ago. Of course, her resume included the informaiton that she had her degree from Brigham Young University and had 2 years experience as a psychatric intake aide at Utah Valley Hospital. She didn't get the job, which went to a person with no college degree and no prior experience. The personnel director said it was because, "a lot of the staff would be uncomfortable working with a Mormon." Modern days.

Charity, what state did this happen in, if you don't mind my asking? They actually were stupid enough to tell your daughter that they didn't hire her based on her religion? That is blatant discrimination based on religion. She has a lawsuit on her hands. She REALLY needs to report that to the Employment Commission. I have a pretty strong HR background. PM me if you have any questions. I hate to see people go through this. It's not right.

[_Chap]

My daughter applied for position as psychiatric intake aide at a hospital in Texas a few years ago. Of course, her resume included the informaiton that she had her degree from Brigham Young University and had 2 years experience as a psychatric intake aide at Utah Valley Hospital. She didn't get the job, which went to a person with no college degree and no prior experience. The personnel director said it was because, "a lot of the staff would be uncomfortable working with a Mormon." Modern days.

Charity, what state did this happen in, if you don't mind my asking? They actually were stupid enough to tell your daughter that they didn't hire her based on her religion? That is blatant discrimination based on religion. She has a lawsuit on her hands. She REALLY needs to report that to the Employment Commission. I have a pretty strong HR background. PM me if you have any questions. I hate to see people go through this. It's not right.

I have no doubt that Charity is not attempting to mislead us with her post.

But it is amusing, is it not, to contrast her reception her with the likely reception of any ex-mo who told a parallel story on MAD of employment discrimination against non-LDS in Utah. Bluntly, many TBM posters would sneer that the whole story was clearly made up, just like bcspace tried to suggest was the case with Who Knows and his exit story about his wife. Not nice.

[_Yoda]

I have no doubt that Charity is not attempting to mislead us with her post.

But it is amusing, is it not, to contrast her reception her with the likely reception of any ex-mo who told a parallel story on MAD of employment discrimination against non-LDS in Utah. Bluntly, many TBM posters would sneer that the whole story was clearly made up, just like bcspace tried to suggest was the case with Who Knows and his exit story about his wife. Not nice.

Well, this kind of thing always makes my blood boil. In addition to teaching in the Computer Science department, I also help with student job placement, and am on several job fair committees at the college based on my prior background in HR. You would not believe some of the things I've dealt with over the years. These companies have to realize that there is a check and balance system that they have to adhere to. I really hope that Charity's daughter fights this.

[_truth dancer]

Maybe Joseph Smith was actually being tested by a not-so-good angel when he was told that if he didn't take other women, he would be destroyed. (Did he ever ask to shake the angel's hand)?

Maybe in truth he FAILED the test... maybe God was actually tempting him to see how honest, faithful, decent and obedient he was to actual, real scriptural commandments?

Of course I do not think there was an angel, or flaming sword, or any directive to behave in such a despicable manner, nevertheless, the story just doesn't make sense.

I mean seriously... a married guy is found having affairs with a dozens of girls and women and his excuse is that God commanded him to have many wives? And those who question the excuse are condemned for not believing?

Should those who question this very same behavior in other men be condemned as well? Or should we just give all men a free pass when it comes to coercing and manipulating girls and women to engage in a man's sexual desires?

What is disturbing is how Joseph Smith is judged by some believers so differently than every other man who engages in the same behavior.

~dancer~