What lies did the Nauvoo Expositor print?

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Re: What lies did the Nauvoo Expositor print?

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why me wrote: Mr. Law also says, that he has no doubt that Joseph believed he had received the doctrine of plural marriage from the Lord. The Prophet's manner being exceedingly earnest, so much so, that Mr. Law was convinced that the Prophet was perfectly sincere in his declaration


The thing is, why me... just because Joseph eventually convinced himself and others that codified adultery was from God doesn't mean it was.

F-a-n-n-y.

Joseph kept it secret; that's all anyone needs to know about it in order to realize where it started.

It's not ever going to add up, not that you'll ever admit it.
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harmony wrote:

And a lying cheating prophet is as good as it gets, evidently.


Especially for someone like you who still has a temple recommend. You should be ashamed of yourself. Or are you just a coward and are afraid to come out of the closet?
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why me wrote: Joseph has done nothing that has affected me.


Okay, that comment, coming from our resident LDS Catholic is just too precious.
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why me wrote:
harmony wrote:

And a lying cheating prophet is as good as it gets, evidently.


Especially for someone like you who still has a temple recommend. You should be ashamed of yourself. Or are you just a coward and are afraid to come out of the closet?


Don't derail, why me. This thread isn't about me.
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harmony wrote:
The thing is, why me... just because Joseph eventually convinced himself and others that codified adultery was from God doesn't mean it was.

F-a-n-n-y.

Joseph kept it secret; that's all anyone needs to know about it in order to realize where it started.

It's not ever going to add up, not that you'll ever admit it.


I don't know...oliver found out. Not much of a secret. But what we do have is fanny and joseph and her parents and brother. And all seem okay with it. Strange but true. Fanny went off...and married. And as far as I know never said a bad word about Joseph. And solomon seems okay with it all. I just see happy campers all around, except for emma. And wonderful fanny, is she knew that it was about lust, attraction and horny baboonness, allows her parents to believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet and allows them to continue to believe in the LDS church. I just can't get my head around that one.
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harmony wrote:
Don't derail, why me. This thread isn't about me.


It isn't about fanny either. It is about the nauvoo expositor, a yellow rag that attemped to stir up the mobs against the LDS church. And founded by a man with chip on his shoulder.
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why me wrote:
harmony wrote:

And a lying cheating prophet is as good as it gets, evidently.


Especially for someone like you who still has a temple recommend. You should be ashamed of yourself. Or are you just a coward and are afraid to come out of the closet?

Pot, meet Kettle!

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why me wrote:
harmony wrote:
Don't derail, why me. This thread isn't about me.


It isn't about fanny either. It is about the nauvoo expositor, a yellow rag that attemped to stir up the mobs against the LDS church. And founded by a man with chip on his shoulder.

The Nauvoo Expositor exists, at least in part, because of strong reaction against polygamy.

Therefore, Fanny's relationship with Joseph is an integral part of this topic.
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why me wrote:I just can't get my head around that one.


No kidding? Why am I surprised?

Joseph's prophethood depends on the support of the people who believed that he was a prophet of God, just like Pres Monson's depends on being sustained today. Joseph's secret activities undermines every apologetic for his prophethood. The secrecy, and the immorality at the base of his secrecy, destroyed his prophethood.

He had it when he wrote the Book of Mormon; he lost it when he secretly abandoned his prophetic mantle in favor of getting Fanny pregnant. That was not an immaculate conception; that was a dirty nasty affair involving a married man hiding his extramarital activities. Joseph further descended into his own private hell by trying to cover it all up. By the laws of the church, he stands condemned, his priesthood forfeit, his sins unconfessed and around his neck like an albatross.

You may not believe that any of that is important; I do. If he's not held accountable for his adultery, then neither is anyone else who ever walked over that line. There is no reason for any endowed member to uphold their covenants if the church allows Joseph to skate.

He was endowed, Why me. Maybe that doesn't mean anything to you, but it does to me. I am a convert, and I gave up a great deal in order to take out my own endowment, and to find out that Joseph counted his so lightly that he regularly stepped outside of those covenants literally tipped my world sideways when that fact was laid at my feet years ago. Maybe you can't imagine the sense of betrayal because you don't know what I had to give up, but I do... and every time I see someone mock my current TR, I am reminded of Joseph's betrayal.

I endure, why me, because of the blessings God gives me, blessings that would be at least as devastated as I was when I found out about Joseph's betrayal. I would suffer anything so that they do not have bear this pain. I have lived the last 12 years of my life covering up that pain; I will continue to do so until I can no longer bear that burden. I see no end in sight.

Either the Book of Mormon is our cornerstone, the law the church lives by, or Joseph's secrecy is. No one can change that, finesse that, smooth that over. The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an abomination and condemns secret combinations. Polygamy, Joseph style, was both.

God will not be mocked, although his will can certainly be circumvented for a time, or at least until he can muster up a mob to eliminate an stubborn man who would have allowed the church to be destroyed, and/or the US government.
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Re: What lies did the Nauvoo Expositor print?

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why me wrote:
Runtu wrote:
I forgive Joseph for whatever he has done that has affected me.


Were you there when all this was happening? I don't think so. What you do have is speculation about why Joseph became a polygamist. Joseph has done nothing that has affected me.


Nothing--nothing good, nothing bad. JSJr has been a complete nonevent to the life of why me.

I wish I could say the same, that I never heard of Mormonism.
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