Falling out between Dehlin and Kate Kelly?

[_Lemmie]

John talked quite openly about his discomfort with being a role model or hero in a small Sunstone event at which he presented.

So, during a public presentation he was giving, he called himself a role model or hero, and expressed discomfort. Ok. maybe I'm too cynical.

No. He said If I recall correctly. that he was uncomfortable with other people seeing him that way.

I understand that, my point was, it sounded like HE was the one who said other people think of me as a role model and hero, rather than him responding to someone else saying he was thought of as such. Do you recall if this was during a Q&A period, or if he was responding to a specific comment?

It's much more credible to learn how a person is perceived by hearing from the perceivers, not the one being perceived.

[_Lemmie]

My objective is to protect future victims and fight silence of women in the exMo community.

How do you do that?

By “F” ing over your own career HARD by linking your in real life website to this thread that demonstrates clearly you're incapable of reason and personal accountability. This is like the anti-LinkedIn move of the decade. This is the Darwin Awards of careericide.

TL;DR - Don't stick your dick in crazy.

- Doc

That irritated me quite a bit as well. There are still issues for professional women to navigate that are related to gender, why announce straight up you've been a victim, still feel like a victim, and are dedicating yourself to making sure your victimhood is never forgotten?

[_Jersey Girl]

That irritated me quite a bit as well. There are still issues for professional women to navigate that are related to gender, why announce straight up you've been a victim, still feel like a victim, and are dedicating yourself to making sure your victimhood is never forgotten?

Because in spite of her claims of having moved on, she's still in the relationship.

[_Lemmie]

That irritated me quite a bit as well. There are still issues for professional women to navigate that are related to gender, why announce straight up you've been a victim, still feel like a victim, and are dedicating yourself to making sure your victimhood is never forgotten?

Because in spite of her claims of having moved on, she's still in the relationship.

well said.

[_Jersey Girl]

Because in spite of her claims of having moved on, she's still in the relationship.

well said.

Yep.

We're talking about people with psych degrees who have held themselves out essentially as healers to the ExMo community, are we not? I can't speak to the status of Dehlin, but I am more than certain that Rosebud has work to do with herself before she will be in a position to extend a healing and helping hand to others.

She doesn't see herself as an empowered person. She still seeks male leadership. The leadership she really needs to rely on in order to succeed in life in general, not to mention as a professional person, is the self determination and self direction which she develops inside of herself.

She's writing posts to JD on this thread. Yes, she's still in the relationship and not portraying a self image that will lead to success in her professional life.

[_Jersey Girl]

MDB is a great place to take crap out on Mormonism once in a while, but the best kept secret of MDB is that the Spirit Paradise forum is actually one of the more informative political message board forums on the net. On it's best days it would be hard to find a better outlet.

This is so true! For years, I would hang mainly in Terrestrial, now I live in Paradise. ;-)

If folks aren't checking out Paradise, you are missing out! Some very good heads there and we even have legal input from at least one attorney to help us interpret what we're seeing in the political arena these days with regard to law and court decisions. Trust me, if you know little about politics, there's plenty of folks to learn from there.

Jump in!

[/PSA for Paradise]

[_Tator]

She's writing posts to JD on this thread.

I certainly do believe he has been the real target audience for a long time. Rosebud is still heavily invested in this relationship.

I had an ugly divorce and I got professional help. Once I was asked, "What is the opposite of love?" I replied the normal response, "Hate". It was explained to me that in a divorce it is not really true. When I hated my ex I was still invested in the relationship. I was still in the process or grieving or some phase that was still in the relationship or wrapped up in the loss of the relationship. When I would argue with the ex she would view it as, "He still cares enough to fight with me, he still cares."

Actually the opposite of love is indifference. When you don't care whether your ex lives or dies beyond what you feel for general humanity then you are over it.

Rosebud and possibly JD have not achieved "indifference" in their divorce between themselves or their church or their business relationship, they are in process.

[_lostindc]

For some reason, I think it is the Mormonism in us, we continue to focus on rosebud as some sort of person that can't get past a previous romantic relationship with dehlin. I don't get why this receives the attention? Maybe it is our upbringing. Maybe we believe that a female just can't get over losing the patriarchal figure in their life, who the “F” knows? I don't know why you people continue to focus on this aspect.

If you haven't noticed, what dehlin did to rosebud wasn't just a romantic relationship breakup, rather, he shut her out of the venues she helped build, smeared her publicly and privately, attempted to destroy her personal life, tried to portray her as mentally unfit (she is plenty mentally sound, a brilliant mind), screwed her out of her passion to help individuals transitioning out of their faith, and a bunch more. Really went after what she sought to with her time and this is something that gave her life meaning. He didn't care because she was too much of a threat.

Rosebud is professionally and personally connected to the forums dehlin pushed her out of and attempted to crush her reputation. He screwed her over because he was too "in love" with her. In reality, he didn't like her transparency, used her enough to get what he needed, and was planning his BS excommunication and feared that she would be too honest about what dehlin planned to do in terms of excommunication and finances. Also, I believe she sought to have a more open realm with Open Stories Foundation where it was more about the community than just one person. This doesn't work for someone trying to brand himself.

I knew a bunch of this crap for several years. Other posters on this board were also aware of many of the issues surround dehlin Open Stories Foundation and Joanna (that's a whole other story that deserves attention).

Again people, imagine pouring yourself into a project, building relationships you love maintaining, finding much purpose in your work, and then having some asshole push you out because he wasn't comfortable with your transparency and desire to build a community instead of a public figure? Then have him smear you to your colleagues and people you helped. Have him block you from the communities you enjoyed and built. Have him try to steal the communities you built. Have him give you all kinds of bans and if you protest then he will continue to smear your name. Sounds fun, right?

Typing from phone and I suck at that...

[_Jersey Girl]

She's writing posts to JD on this thread.

I certainly do believe he has been the real target audience for a long time. Rosebud is still heavily invested in this relationship.

I had an ugly divorce and I got professional help. Once I was asked, "What is the opposite of love?" I replied the normal response, "Hate". It was explained to me that in a divorce it is not really true. When I hated my ex I was still invested in the relationship. I was still in the process or grieving or some phase that was still in the relationship or wrapped up in the loss of the relationship. When I would argue with the ex she would view it as, "He still cares enough to fight with me, he still cares."

Actually the opposite of love is indifference. When you don't care whether your ex lives or dies beyond what you feel for general humanity then you are over it.

Rosebud and possibly JD have not achieved "indifference" in their divorce between themselves or their church or their business relationship, they are in process.

You said that so perfectly, Pok. I had to bold that one part, it's totally true.

Hats off to you.

[_cwald]

For some reason, I think it is the Mormonism in us, we continue to focus on rosebud as some sort of person that can't get past a previous romantic relationship with dehlin. I don't get why this receives the attention? Maybe it is our upbringing. Maybe we believe that a female just can't get over losing the patriarchal figure in their life, who the ____ knows? I don't know why you people continue to focus on this aspect.

If you haven't noticed, what dehlin did to rosebud wasn't just a romantic relationship breakup, rather, he shut her out of the venues she helped build, smeared her publicly and privately, attempted to destroy her personal life, tried to portray her as mentally unfit (she is plenty mentally sound, a brilliant mind), screwed her out of her passion to help individuals transitioning out of their faith, and a bunch more. Really went after what she sought to with her time and this is something that gave her life meaning. He didn't care because she was too much of a threat.

Rosebud is professionally and personally connected to the forums dehlin pushed her out of and attempted to crush her reputation. He ____ her over because he was too "in love" with her. In reality, he didn't like her transparency, used her enough to get what he needed, and was planning his ____ excommunication and feared that she would be too honest about what dehlin planned to do in terms of excommunication and finances. Also, I believe she sought to have a more open realm with Open Stories Foundation where it was more about the community than just one person. This doesn't work for someone trying to brand himself.

I knew a bunch of this ____ for several years. Other posters on this board were also aware of many of the issues surround dehlin Open Stories Foundation and Joanna (that's a whole other story that deserves attention).

Again people, imagine pouring yourself into a project, building relationships you love maintaining, finding much purpose in your work, and then having some asshole push you out because he wasn't comfortable with your transparency and desire to build a community instead of a public figure? Then have him smear you to your colleagues and people you helped. Have him block you from the communities you enjoyed and built. Have him try to steal the communities you built. Have him give you all kinds of bans and if you protest then he will continue to smear your name. Sounds fun, right?

Typing from phone and I suck at that...

Well, yeah, I pretty well agree with everything you said. I guess my only comment is she is the one who keeps bringing it up and playing it out in this forum. Not us. She has only herself to blame for this comment you made. ....

I don't get why this receives the attention? Maybe it is our upbringing. Maybe we believe that a female just can't get over losing the patriarchal figure in their life, who the ____ knows? I don't know why you people continue to focus on this aspect.