What is an anti-Mormon?

[_Maksutov]

You are NOT entitled to your own facts, however, and you need to learn to differentiate between evidence presented and your opinion of them.

Of all the people to say that to. The strategy of attacking when you are proved wrong is not really the way to go here.

Projection is a time honored strategy. Look at the present White House. Oops! Presentism!

[Guest]

You can't "correct" something that someone DIDN'T say. You really are a troll. You don't want to have a discussion based on evidence and facts, you don't know what they are. So, continue with your trolling and the regurgitation of FAIRMORMON BS.

[_Niadna]

And when Ford said "a pox on both their houses", he said so because the Mormons had tampered with their jury which found them innocent, and the anti-Mormons who had tampered with their jury also found their people innocent.

Gov. Ford didn't actually write that, y'know. I wrote that as a description of his frustration and disgust with the whole thing.

......and you are quite right. But that does NOT alter the FACT that the destruction of the press was found to be legal in a court of law, does it? Whether or not anybody else thought the verdicts were honestly come to is irrelevant.

Do you even understand the CONTEXT of the quote you used?

I do, actually. You seem to have some difficulty, though.

Obviously not. You are so eager to exonerate Smith from his wrongdoing that you simply latch on to whatever you please and rip it out of it's historical context. That is very disingenuous, and won't convince anyone except those that want to agree with you because they too, don't want to deal with the actual evidence and facts.

Who said I was attempting to exonerate anybody from anything? I mean, really; Joseph Smith and the Nauvoo council ordered the press destroyed. He certainly felt he had the right to do so...and given the practices of the time, and the fact that precedence would have told him that it was not all that unusual or horrific a thing, he went and did it.

But the attitude I'm getting in here is that even though the men who burned up the Jackson County press, tortured people and made a family homeless and penniless got away clean..and were even lauded for THEIR act, that Joseph Smith absolutely deserved to be charged with treason and shot by a mob for his.

I find that to be...

typical, actually.

[_grindael]

And actually, YOU brought up Jackson County and it has nothing to do with the Expositor. But it is educational because the Missourians got off scott free as did the Mormons with the Expositor affair.

It is only in your mind that it is a "typical" response of people to "laud" the doings of the mob against Edward Partridge and the destruction of the Evening and Morning Star press. The only thing typical here is your dogged adherence to made up BS.

And yes, I was aware that Ford didn't say it, I had already told you that you were summarizing. If you would read with some comprehension you wouldn't make yourself look stupid trying to score inane rhetorical points. But that is all you can do, since you refuse to address any of the real evidence I've presented.

[_grindael]

The strategy of attacking when you are proved wrong is not really the way to go here.

We've been down this road SO MANY times, haven't we, Lemmie?

[_Shulem]

Who said I was attempting to exonerate anybody from anything? I mean, really; Joseph Smith and the Nauvoo council ordered the press destroyed. He certainly felt he had the right to do so...and given the practices of the time, and the fact that precedence would have told him that it was .

Joseph Smith cannot be exonerated for his dastardly act of destroying the press and trampling on the Constitutional rights of free Americans. Joseph Smith was a dirty bastard to think he had the right to do just that. Joseph Smith thought he was above the law and took it upon himself to commit acts of violence and to defy the Constitutional rights of others to express freedom of speech.

You, Niadna, are not a good citizen. You stand by Joe when you should be condemning him. You are un-American.

[_grindael]

Who said I was attempting to exonerate anybody from anything?

I did. It's quite obvious you are trying to do so by calling what Smith did with the Expositor press LEGAL.

I mean, really... you quoted me saying it, so why would you ask the question? Are you really that dumb? Yeah, it appears so.

[_Maksutov]

So...where is the taxonomy for Mormons? Since a TBM came up with definitions of anti-Mormons, it seems fair that ex- or anti-Mormons develop such a list.

Or is this a silly exercise in constructing straw men? Because we can objectively look at Mormonism without these shenanigans. There are many testable propositions. Unfortunately, Mormonism fails them spectacularly. And we all know what those testable propositions are, it's just that the Niadnas and the Smoots have a million and one dance steps around and away from them, all the while calling us names.

A book from an angel, translated by magic rocks in a hat. And it goes downhill from there. All the good will, love, proclamations of identity, noble ancestors, passion, faith, books, institutions, billions in Wall Street and temples in every country, will not change the magic rocks in the hat and the Book of Abraham demonstrable fraud. It won't change the monstrosity of polygamy. It won't change the racism that found a home in the church and still has not been completely rooted out. It won't change the growing authoritarian irrationality found in the pronouncements of the men that Niadna considers worthy leaders. The Niadnas and Peterson's and Smoots grow more shrill. Let them. We know, we have seen, the power of the priesthood.

[_Shulem]

But the attitude I'm getting in here is that even though the men who burned up the Jackson County press, tortured people and made a family homeless and penniless got away clean..and were even lauded for THEIR act, that Joseph Smith absolutely deserved to be charged with treason and shot by a mob for his.

I find that to be...

typical, actually.

I've said nothing about the Jackson County press. That is something you are mulling about in your own mind. Is this how you are excuse Joe for his dastardly act of defying freedom of speech as afforded by the Constitution? Is that how you justify his crime by clamoring on how others did it too?

Pathetic.

[_Shulem]

Who said I was attempting to exonerate anybody from anything?

I did. It's quite obvious you are trying to do so by calling what Smith did with the Expositor press LEGAL.

I mean, really... you quoted me saying it, so why would you ask the question? Are you really that dumb? Yeah, it appears so.

Niadna,

Let's pretend, assume you're the judge presiding in a courtroom. Knowing everything you know about this case, what would be your verdict regarding Smith's actions in destroying the press? What would be the punishment for a guilty verdict?

Let the honorable Niadna now make a ruling.