Why is the only TBM argument against ex/anti/nevermos...

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

I will PM you tomorrow and I will explain the whole crazy situation.

I do feel better when I talk about it, but in private....GIMR

I do have some really good people in my life so.....including myself.....sometimes the person responsible for yourself is yourself......does that make sense.....yes I think it does...

[_Sam Harris]

Sometimes, when you want to do something right, you have to do it yourself. And when it comes to your own mind, body, and spirit, no one can do it better than you.

Take your time with regards to the story, ok?

[_moksha]

Oh, I get it.

Coggins thinks I'm Lady Sundancer! Oh, this is about as good as when Juliann told me that I was a white exmormon with an agenday

Sorry, no go.

http://lyricistsland.spaces.live.com/

The pictures speak for themselves.

What a cutie!!!

So where does all this leave Kemara? I hope not dangling in the Outback with Shari Lewis and Lambchop.

[_Sam Harris]

*blushes*

Moksha, I love you.

I like Lambchop. Ah, fond childhood memories. The group picture under the friends section is actually the last time I saw my best friend's mom alive. I pulled out a picture of her the other day from my 8th birthday party. I had just met both her and her son. The woman hadn't aged a bit in 17 years. That's some good clean living.

[_marg]

(1)Every Fundie TBM that has seen me question, in the flavor of folks like Wade, Loran, Pahoran, etc. has done this. (2)Have you walked in my shoes? If not, who are you to tell me what I've experienced? And what if others have experienced the same thing? Do they have to deal with you denying them, as well?

I’m getting the impression GIMR that you are mentally challenged. And consequently if that is the case I’d waste my time responding to you, but for this post I'll continue. Perhaps most Mormons you come across do boil their arguments down to YOU being stupid. I can understand that.
Let’s look at your first sentence… “Every Fundie TBM that has seen me question, in the flavor of folks like Wade, Loran, Pahoran, etc. has done this.”

What on earth is that sentence about? Are you trying to say that Mormons you come across on the Net, the ones you most frequently interact with ..tell you, it’s because you are stupid that you left the Mormon church?
Let’s look at your next few sentences. Have you walked in my shoes? If not, who are you to tell me what I've experienced? And what if others have experienced the same thing? Do they have to deal with you denying them, as well?

To begin with GIMR, I haven’t told you anywhere what you’ve experienced. And who am I denying? What am I denying? Please quote me to support your complaints. You appear to make up your own crappola to argue against.


previously I wrote: As for your line "If the shoe don't fit you, move on"..you are again doing what you were criticizing Mormons of doing. Essentially telling me I don't know enough to voice my opinion.


GIMR's response: Not about me, you don't.

Are you nuts? Where have I claimed to know about you? It is you who has made erroneous assumptions about me.

Ok, at this point you're just looking for an argument. My "dealings" have been played out in many the journey of the exmo. Were you ever LDS? When you doubted and left, did they say to you, gee, you've made a rational, intelligent decision, best wishes on your journey? If so, please tell me where that ward is!

If I ever was LDS and left, I wouldn’t expect any Mormon to think I made a rational, intelligent decision. I've commented on this in a previous post in this thread. I'm not going to repeat.

previously: You are wrong if you think I'm emotional, would "cry" about this. Your posts in this thread reflect you are the emotional one. [/quote]

Marg, please don't pull a Wade. We have enough McDonalds style psychoanalysis here.

I did no psycholanalyzing.



previously I wrote: I agree with you that in general in my readings on the Net, Mormons want to assume the exmember as having some deficiency as the reason for their leaving ..and the church they find little to no fault with. But that is to be expected, because if the member acknowledged the exmormons were right that the church was set up fraudulently, then they'd have to admit the church isn't a speaker for a God, essentially the ultimate authority over all individuals.


GIMR

Well then, we have no argument, and you have wasted good typing time. It may be "to be expected", but that doesn't make it right. I expect my female cousins to procreate without forethought or marriage again within the next year, but that doesn't make it right.

And what were you getting at with your long dissertation? That because their behavior is to be expected, I should just not say anything?

I’m not going to repeat my posts for you. If you want to know what my post was about trying reading it and THEN if you disagree QUOTE me and address what I actually say.

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

GIMR

Mentally challenged....Well I don't think so.....I think she is very sharp and witty....

Here I go cheerleading again....


Oh well .......CHEER CHEER

[_Pokatator]

Oh, I get it.

Coggins thinks I'm Lady Sundancer! Oh, this is about as good as when Juliann told me that I was a white exmormon with an agenday

Sorry, no go.

http://lyricistsland.spaces.live.com/

The pictures speak for themselves.

Looks like a beautiful all American family to me. Thanx for the peek into your life.

[_Runtu]

Over the years I've concluded that believing Mormons who are aware of the historical, theological, and scientific arguments facing Mormonism are extremely sensitive about being seen as "stupid" by exbelievers. In fact, many exbelievers do think that TBMs are stupid. (I don't) Neither group is stupid. But I think many vocal believers on places like MAD, deep down believe most exbelievers really do think that continued belief in Mormonism is a sign of stupidity. Hence the determination to demonstrate that it's really the exbelievers who are stupid.

That's my personal psychobabble, at least.

More psychobabble. I think that some people in that situation realize that they have to come up with a superstructure of rationalizations and caveats, and their fear of being considered stupid is a function of their insecurity about that superstructure.

Back when I was an apologist, I was extremely sensitive to the accusation that I hadn't thought things through carefully. I suspect that I was insecure about all the rationalizations I had made, and I didn't want to believe I was stupid.

I agree that mopologists are not stupid, and neither are we (myself not included). We're all doing the best we can with what we know. I can't fault anyone for that.

[_Runtu]

Oh, I get it.

Coggins thinks I'm Lady Sundancer! Oh, this is about as good as when Juliann told me that I was a white exmormon with an agenday

Sorry, no go.

http://lyricistsland.spaces.live.com/

The pictures speak for themselves.

Looks like a beautiful all American family to me. Thanx for the peek into your life.

Thanks for the photos. It's nice to see a beautiful smiling face to go with the thoughtful posts.

[_Sam Harris]

Marg,

I hate to break it to you hun, but you just proved my point about TBMs and other fundamentalists. You're just a fundie of another sort. A fundie is someone hell bent on having someone believe as they do. And when backed into a corner, they usually come out with comments about someone's lack in an intellectual or spiritual sense.

Um, my IQ is about 30 points above what is considered average. On those inane personality tests that some employers make people take, I scored well above average, meaning I'm quite pleasant when I want to be. I read voraciously, and plan to have a library of classics in my home to pass onto my children. I am back in school after overcoming a 20-year illness and doing damn good.

Your assertion was that since it was inevitable for TBMs to make disparaging remarks towards those who did not agree with them, one should simply let that slide. I'm sorry, but such logic is lost on me. The church's claims of exclusivity are bad enough without having to encounter "The Village" type mentalities, and abuse from those who insist on staying within such restraints. I will not accept that.

And also, your comment about me not reading your posts is just as inane as the first attempt at shadowboxing you made on this thread. I did read your posts, I just didn't puppet back to you what you wanted me to. Not my style.

Listen pal, I cannot stand participants on message boards who argue with straw men that they dress up with the screen names of others. And I like even less people with "little dog syndrome" (I feel small, so let me yell big). Find another hobby. If I'm as mental as you think I am, I'd back off, because I might just be capable of screwing you up big time. Don't try me.