Charity, how is LDS right and FLDS, Strangites, RLDS, wrong?

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_harmony
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Post by _harmony »

charity wrote:I am not comparing my experience to EV's. I have said many times that God loves all His children, and gives them the witness to the truth that will help them in their progress toward returning home. I have said repeatedly I don't think the Holy Ghost is limited to acting within the membership of the Church.


This does not make sense. There would be no reason to give the gift of the Holy Ghost to newly baptised members, if the Holy Ghost can act within nonmembers. They would have already had it. They wouldn't have had to join the LDS church to get it.
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Post by _charity »

the road to hana wrote:
So if you believe truth can be advanced or found on a message board, why would you think anyone would be joking about finding it?

What particular "truths" are you advancing?


Question #1. Because I don't think people are looking for truth on a message board. You can see from the posts here what a lot of people are up to. And I don't see "finding truth" very high up on the list. I think pretty much everyone who comes here has their minds made up. I doubt if there will be very many "aha" moments. But I suppose there could an off chance that one will occur now and again.

Question #2.The only truth I am trying to advance is the correct view of the Church and its members. Not the truths of the gospel per se. There is SO MUCH error and falsehood flying around about the Church and its members, somebody ought to just be able to say, "Wait a minute. That is flat out wrong." You see how people here are very much prone to "you really believe this even though you don't say it" kind of thinking. I am one of a very few actual believing LDS who is on the board to correct the misconceptions.
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Question #2.The only truth I am trying to advance is the correct view of the Church and its members. Not the truths of the gospel per se. There is SO MUCH error and falsehood flying around about the Church and its members, somebody ought to just be able to say, "Wait a minute. That is flat out wrong." You see how people here are very much prone to "you really believe this even though you don't say it" kind of thinking. I am one of a very few actual believing LDS who is on the board to correct the misconceptions.


The vast majority of us here were members. Why do the beliefs we held as Mormons not count?

by the way, your God is a strange character. He restored the "one true" church on the earth, and gave it the only true priesthood power, the only way to be with not only one's family, but God himself, our Father, in the next life. Yet he bestows powerful spiritual experiences on people, without regard to the fallacious nature of their current beliefs.

It's almost as if he wants people to believe the wrong thing.

Sometimes it seems to me that one difference between atheists and theists is that theists are willing to characterize God in any way that enables them to retain belief, whereas atheists won't. In the end, you end up with a somewhat warped God (not unlike the damage LGT does to the Book of Mormon). That's why this statement makes sense to me:

It is an insult to God to believe in God. For on the one hand it is to suppose that he has perpetrated acts of incalculable cruelty. On the other hand, it is to suppose that he has perversely given his human creatures an instrument -- their intellect -- which must inevitably lead them, if they are dispassionate and honest, to deny his existence. It is tempting to conclude that if he exists, it is the atheists and agnostics that he loves best, among those with any pretensions to education. For they are the ones who have taken him most seriously. ~Galen Strawson
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Post by _Henry Jacobs »

I think Charity just made an inadvertant pass at reality

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Post by _the road to hana »

charity wrote:There is SO MUCH error and falsehood flying around about the Church and its members, somebody ought to just be able to say, "Wait a minute. That is flat out wrong."


Example, please.

And please start a new thread to do it.
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Post by _Polygamy Porter »

Polygamy Porter wrote:
charity wrote:To Polygamy Porter: I am not going to speculate on other people's experience. The Holy Ghost witnesses to truth. God loves all His children, LDS and non-LDS. But you think that people are having false spiritual experiences. I will just remind you, there are two forces in the world. You figure it out.
I am not thinking that. I asked you a question.

You replied with a vague answer. Two forces eh?

Which force answered your prayer and which one answered the other non-SLC-LDS Mormons prayers?


Figured out an answer to my simple question yet?

Which force answered your prayer and which one answered the other non-SLC-LDS Mormons prayers?
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Post by _Zoidberg »

I have a hard time imagining a God who gets annoyed that easily.

To answer a logical question this statement would provoke, I think most, if not all of the Old Testament is BS.

charity, you keep thinking of these evil antis on message boards as an organized group with a strategy who make it their goal to sway the faithful. In reality, it's just a bunch of people talking. Sometimes new people show up who are just discovering these issues; this is why it might sound "rehashed" to you.

Not to mention that I consider the most popular TBM answers, like "It will all work out in the afterlife" or "Does it affect my slavation?" a bit rehashed. As well as their mantras about "ignorant antis" who keep protesting the word "adieu". Perhaps that's why people are forced to repeat their opinions to finally make it known to the organized apologetic front what it is they have a problem with.
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Post by _Polygamy Porter »

Zoidberg wrote:I have a hard time imagining a God who gets annoyed that easily.

To answer a logical question this statement would provoke, I think most, if not all of the Old Testament is BS.

charity, you keep thinking of these evil antis on message boards as an organized group with a strategy who make it their goal to sway the faithful. In reality, it's just a bunch of people talking. Sometimes new people show up who are just discovering these issues; this is why it might sound "rehashed" to you.

Not to mention that I consider the most popular TBM answers, like "It will all work out in the afterlife" or "Does it affect my slavation?" a bit rehashed. As well as their mantras about "ignorant antis" who keep protesting the word "adieu". Perhaps that's why people are forced to repeat their opinions to finally make it known to the organized apologetic front what it is they have a problem with.
I am not part of any organized local anti Mormon group. However, just like when I was a member, my daily interactions are laced with Mormon truths. I always look for opportunities to share the gospel of Jesus Smith with just about everyone I meet.

Being part of some religious anti Mormon group would blow my cover. I lie in wait to reveal.
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Post by _Chap »

Zoidberg wrote:"Does it affect my slavation?" .


Probably nyet.
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Post by _The Nehor »

dartagnan wrote:
I can't prove it to you. But God can. Just ask Him.



I just did. He didn't answer.

What's the problem now?



You're obviously either insincere or past feeling. Live life like you want. Then when you die:

Go to hell.
Go directly to hell.
Do not pass Go.
Do not collect 200 wives.

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