First day using the Joseph Smith manual

[_Coggins7]

No. It is possible to honor someone with creating a demi-God out of him. There is a line, and the Joseph Smith bulding crosses over it.

In your imagination, and through the filter of your biases, It may very well appear so.

[_Coggins7]

I admit “primarily” was a bad word to use – I should have used “principle”, so you could have read “among” - but subtle word play is not my strength. If the occasion arises, I'll be sure to involve the gritty details of the day. I'd love to discuss Joseph, sans the garment, receiving comfort from a bottle of red wine, bullets tearing through his flesh while he pops off three of the six barrels of his borrowed pistol.... is there no help for the widows son. but that would have opened too many doors. milk before meat ya know :)

You're a smarmy ass evolving, but at least your our smarmy ass...

[_Coggins7]

I really do not expect much change. I hope for change though.

So what we actually have here, it would seem, is another Harmony and another Scratch, except without the serious intellectual limitations of the previous personages.

Let the games begin!

[_moksha]

How different will HP group be next week?

I have already loaned out my two copies of RSR, and two sets of B.H. Roberts Comprehensive History. Next Week - the first vision - the manual uses the 1832 & 1842 accounts, thus opening the door for the other 6 or so versions to be discussed. I have already passed out the comparison chart from FARMS..should be fun

Oh wow, our instructors frequently just read out of the manual. This advance preparation stuff sounds exciting - sort of like how the women teach their lessons.

[_skippy the dead]

How different will HP group be next week?

I have already loaned out my two copies of RSR, and two sets of B.H. Roberts Comprehensive History. Next Week - the first vision - the manual uses the 1832 & 1842 accounts, thus opening the door for the other 6 or so versions to be discussed. I have already passed out the comparison chart from FARMS..should be fun

Oh wow, our instructors frequently just read out of the manual. This advance preparation stuff sounds exciting - sort of like how the women teach their lessons.

Except without the doilies or the centerpiece.

[_why me]

Yeah. You'll be able to discuss these with them right up until the very second they realize you're not a true believer anymore. One whiff of anti-mormon agenda and their shields will be up faster than you can say "make it so!"

And rightly so. It is no different on antimormon sites. Any whiff of a Mormon and the antimormon begins to put up shields until finally the Mormon is banned.

I think that discussions can be questioning and respectful of the audience. And that Seth is what it is all about in Priesthood meeting or in Relief Society.

[_why me]

Oh wow, our instructors frequently just read out of the manual. This advance preparation stuff sounds exciting - sort of like how the women teach their lessons.

Much depends on whether the teacher is a teacher or a gifted person who can teach. Reading out of the manual is usually a signal that the person is just a human being with a different talent from teaching.

[_Dr. Shades]

It is no different on antimormon sites. Any whiff of a Mormon and the antimormon begins to put up shields until finally the Mormon is banned.

Not on this site he/she isn't.

[_GoodK]

[quote="why me"] It is no different on antimormon sites. quote]

There are no self-proclaimed "anti-mormon" sites that I am aware of. I'd like to see what one looks like. I imagine it looks exactly like a regular website that is critical of religion or Mormonism ;)

[_Church Mouse]

You're right, nobody cares.

Score: Troll 1, Them Internet Tubes they hates 0.

It's interesting seeing the different reactions LDS congregations have to unvarnished truth regarding history. Some are really into it, some react with alarm, others just sleep it off like any other lesson. Having just moved from our home of the past ten years, I think I'll attend the local congregation some Sunday just to A) Surprise my wife, and B) See the difference in the local church. There kind of seems to be a difference in "class" of Mormon... we moved from a very humble area to a very affluent area. The difference in appearance of attendees -- from the outside -- and their level of involvement is surprising.

I think the Utah vs. Non-Utah phenomenon is interesting, too. Those outside of Utah seem by and large to be much more receptive to the truth regarding history -- warts and all -- than those I've met inside of Utah. And I've met thousands.