Entire populations lost to war?

[_krose]

I'm pretty confident with the notion that hundreds, if not thousands, of Nephites escaped the final battle and re-settled/re-integrated eleswhere.

My reason for starting this topic is that I think the scenario where everyone kills each other in a civil war strains credulity, which I believe reflects negatively on the credibility of the Book of Mormon as truth.

It appears that you share that skepticism, but instead of taking it as evidence that the book is a work of fiction, you see it as evidence that the scribes were making unwarranted assumptions and writing down their reality as they saw it. Have I stated that accurately?

[_The Nehor]

Ummm.....I just quoted where Moroni implies that some did deny the Christ. Also, Moroni was probably not in a position to get accurate data on the surviving Nephites......what with being in hiding and all.

How does your interpretation of the scripture you quoted Trump the other two scriptures quoted in the thread (Mormon 8:2-3)? Those two scriptures seem very clear to me. All the Nephites, excluding Moroni, were wiped out. This is what I was taught in Sunday School, seminary, and BYU Book of Mormon class.

It does mention some survivors. Who's to say there weren't any more?

Who's to say there were? Doesn't it seem like it would be an important thing for Moroni to mention...that there were other survivors? Couldn't god have shown them to him in a vision or something?

I think it Trump's it because in Mormon's eyes the defeated and defectors were no longer Nephites. It's a political designation. Also, the text itself Trump's Sunday School, Seminary, and definitely BYU classes.

I think Moroni assumed that we were not idiots and didn't feel it necessary to repeat that those who followed the Nephite way of life were Nephites and those who lived like Lamanites were Lamanites. His father said it enough times in the rest of the book that he assumed we weren't morons and could figure it out.

[_silentkid]

I think Moroni assumed that we were not idiots and didn't feel it necessary to repeat that those who followed the Nephite way of life were Nephites and those who lived like Lamanites were Lamanites. His father said it enough times in the rest of the book that he assumed we weren't morons and could figure it out.

Thanks for this. U R awesome. :)

[_Bond...James Bond]

by the way: I meant "bones" as in the foundation of a civilization. Traces of buildings and temples and so forth. Not bones as in femurs and tibias. Probably should have used foundation rather than bones.

[_charity]

These buffalo were not slaughtered at the base of a small drumlin in upstate NY.

Neither were the Nephites.

Nor did the buffalo have millions of pieces of steel armaments of war.

And your assumption of steel does no have a basis in the text. "Swords" does not equal the medieval conception of swords. You should read about machuatls. Could cut off a horses head in a one swipe, according to a Spanish witness. But largely made of wood and sharp rocks. Wood rots in humid climates, I am sure you know. And rocks are scattered all over.

[_charity]

A few clarifications:

Originally, God cursed the Lamanites with a dark skin. That was what primarily differenciated the Nephites from the Lamanites for many years. Given the curse, I assume Nephites taught their children that intermarrying was unthinkable.

This is not correct. Jacob wrote that all those who wanted to destroy the Nephites were called Lamanites. He said nothing about skin color.

It begs the question, did Samuel the Lamanite have Priesthood authority? According to Jesus I guess he did. Because it was a different curse from Cain's? Or had Samuel turned white? Then how did anyone know he was really a "Lamanite"?

The Lamanites were Israelite in origin. No curse as far as a priesthood ban.

Regardless of the political/religeous 'iteness of the people, all became one following their global conversion to mormoism at the time of Jesus becoming "an exceedingly fair and delightsome people". [/quote]

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is referred to as "fair" but obviously it isn't skin color since she was Semitic.

At which time some may have intermarried, but it should be noted that the Book of Mormon makes no mention of intermarrying that I can recall.

But it doesn't say they didn't either. In fact, the Book of Mormon stays mute on the subject. So you have no basis for making the assumption that they didn't.

Case in point, Mormon and Moroni (father and son) prided themselves on being full blooded white Arian Nephite stock. Why would this matter? Did this set them above others tainted with the blood of the once cursed seed? Then why make the statement?

White Arian? You mean Aryan? What an anachronism you just committed. The concept of an Aryan race didn't even come about until the late 1800's.

These are the two passages you must be referring to. Morm 1: 5 And I, Mormon, being a descendant of aNephi, (and my father’s name was Mormon) I remembered the things which Ammaron commanded me.

Morm. 8: 13 Behold, I make an end of speaking concerning this people. I am the son of Mormon, and my father was a descendant of Nephi.

The only term used is "descendant." Nothing about color. Nothing about Aryan, which is a real laugh. So, who could Mormon have been descended from if not from Nephi? Jacob. Sam. Joseph. All sons of Lehi. Or Laman or Lemuel, also sons. Or Zoram. Those were all the males of the original colony.

Gosh, you made a big goof on that charge.

So what/who was it that was actually exterminated? Mormons and wicked Mormons? Or just the other side of a big group of mutts?

??

A mixed group if you are talking about lineage. But remember, the "Lamanites" were the group who wanted to destroy the Nephites. The Lamanites never made a charge that they wanted to destroy the Nephites because the Nephites were wicked. They just hated them. And yes. Most that were engaged in that battle of extermination were wicked.

[_Inconceivable]

ch@&#ty,

If you don't read my posts, don't comment on them.

[_charity]

ch@&#ty,

If you don't read my posts, don't comment on them.

And even if you don't like getting caught with pants down, getting rude is no excuse.

[_Scottie]

Weren't entire civilizations wiped out from the malaria when they encountered white man? Would this be considered a genocide?

[_The Nehor]

Weren't entire civilizations wiped out from the malaria when they encountered white man? Would this be considered a genocide?

I would say civilizations were decimated but wiped out may be bit extreme.

You can call it genocide but it wasn't intentional. The malaria anyways.