Why no mention of Heavenly mother?

[_Gazelam]

The reason it would screw things up is because there are definitive roles that Men and Women have.

Women have the womb. Women have the mammary glands, women are the nurturers and caretakers by their very nature.

Men are the providers and enviorment builders. We are also the bearers of the family name, which is at the core of all of this. Christ came in the name of his Father, and did all that he did in the name of his Father. When he had accoplished his mission, he gained all that was attached to his Fathers name. The same offer is made to us if we live up to the name of Christ.

And if we become heirs to the name of Christ, then we have claim on those that we placed our names upon.

Horse manure. Women are the gatherers. Men are the hunters. That is just as valid as your premise, gaz.

When I can pass an 8 pound baby out of my urethra and produce milk out of my nipples I'll hear your argument Harmony.

[_Mike Reed]

However, I would like to bring Genesis 3:1-3 to your attention which equates the image of God to a married couple. Not many other Christian sects accept a female component of God much less Him having a wife(s).

As a TMB apologist I argued that "Heavenly Mother" was alluded to when God told Adam and Eve "Therefore shall a man [Adam] leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" (Genesis 2:24).

[_Scottie]

The reason it would screw things up is because there are definitive roles that Men and Women have.

Women have the womb. Women have the mammary glands, women are the nurturers and caretakers by their very nature.

Men are the providers and enviorment builders. We are also the bearers of the family name, which is at the core of all of this. Christ came in the name of his Father, and did all that he did in the name of his Father. When he had accoplished his mission, he gained all that was attached to his Fathers name. The same offer is made to us if we live up to the name of Christ.

And if we become heirs to the name of Christ, then we have claim on those that we placed our names upon.

Aaaand....this would screw everything up...how?? I'm still lost.

Because a woman has a uterus and mammary glands and a man has a penis, it makes perfect sense to worship a man???

[_Gazelam]

Because a woman has a uterus and mammary glands and a man has a penis, it makes perfect sense to worship a man???

No, there are different responsibilities.

Men bear the responsibility of caring for those they place their name upon.

Women nurture those that bear the that same name.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

The reason it would screw things up is because there are definitive roles that Men and Women have.

Women have the womb. Women have the mammary glands, women are the nurturers and caretakers by their very nature.

Men are the providers and enviorment builders. We are also the bearers of the family name, which is at the core of all of this. Christ came in the name of his Father, and did all that he did in the name of his Father. When he had accoplished his mission, he gained all that was attached to his Fathers name. The same offer is made to us if we live up to the name of Christ.

And if we become heirs to the name of Christ, then we have claim on those that we placed our names upon.

Horse manure. Women are the gatherers. Men are the hunters. That is just as valid as your premise, gaz.

When I can pass an 8 pound baby out of my urethra and produce milk out of my nipples I'll hear your argument Harmony.

Annnd women who cannot pass a baby of any size through their birth canal, or produce milk from their nipples, what should come of them?

[_Gazelam]

Annnd women who cannot pass a baby of any size through their birth canal, or produce milk from their nipples, what should come of them?

Adoption, or assisting those that do. Also physical limitations in this life don't apply in the world to come.

[_Inconceivable]

Heavenly Mother are you really there?
and do You hear and answer every child's prayer?..

Quite profound when Father is replaced with Mother. I wish it were a truth. When I was a child, my mother emulated much of this.

Now that song in it's original form sounds so amazingly rediculous and wholy uninspired.

I am reminded of the innumerable accounts of those soldiers that cry out for their mothers when faced with their own mortality.

Mothers are nurturers. Maybe that's why God sucks as a compationate entity - because he is attempting to credit himself for something that is not within his native capacity.

A Mormon Heavenly Mother does not answer prayers, She does not comfort, She has no gifts to give, She is either silenced or does not exist at all.

Otherwise we would be instructed to seek her (as we do our own mothers). Isn't this life supposed to be all about parallels and shadows of things to come?

What a messed up world we live in because of dumb ass men always attempting to compensate for something they'll never have.

[_hypatia]

I find it highly interesting that ALL of the early religions of the earth began with a loving and nurturing mother or earth-goddess. It is only in the Judeao-Christian tradition that we have the first punitive father image in the Old Testament where he throws his children out of the "house" because they disobey him.

It certainly sets the tone for the rest of the book, until His son upstages him in the New Testament....Jesus was probably a chip of his MOTHER's block.

[_truth dancer]

The reason it would screw things up is because there are definitive roles that Men and Women have.

Gaz, it was men who decided women couldn't be part of society, couldn't own property, couldn't be educated, couldn't participate in the arts, couldn't have any rights, were subhuman; equal with animals.

Women have the womb. Women have the mammary glands, women are the nurturers and caretakers by their very nature.

Many men are fabulous nurturers and caretakers, and many women are not. So? What does this have to do with he ownership of women by men?

Men are the providers and enviorment builders.

It is estimated that women gatherers provided about 80% of the food, while hunters supplemented with meat. In addition there is evidence that women often participated in the hunt.

And, what do you mean by environment builders? Is this why you think women were not allowed (in various cultures) to be educated and participate in government, education, religion, society, business etc. etc.

We are also the bearers of the family name, which is at the core of all of this.

What does this even mean? Seriously. Patriarchy originated as nomadic tribal men decided women would be owned. As fathers sold their daughters to other men their name changed to acknowledge their owner.

Just a little FYI, in early goddess worshipping societies, there is no evidence of matriarchy although society was matrilineal. Children took the names of their mothers because there was no understanding the bio father had a part to in the creation of the child.

In many societies throughout the world, our patriarchal system of family name does not exist.

Christ came in the name of his Father, and did all that he did in the name of his Father. When he had accoplished his mission, he gained all that was attached to his Fathers name. The same offer is made to us if we live up to the name of Christ.

This makes no sense whatsoever. What is God's name? (last I heard God replied to this question, "I am that I am.") What name did Jesus take that was God's rather than Joseph's? What are you even talking about here? (smile)

And if we become heirs to the name of Christ, then we have claim on those that we placed our names upon.

Again, what are you talking about? "We have claim on those that we placed our names upon"? What? Who places their names upon whom? And what is the weirdness about claiming other people?

Sometimes I think it helps to step back from the verbiage and just contemplate what all this sort of nonsense says about God.

~dancer~

[_harmony]

Sometimes I think it helps to step back from the verbiage and just contemplate what all this sort of nonsense says about God.

I think it says a whole lot about the nature of men and very little about the nature of God.