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Gazelam wrote:Ludwig,
You should get a copy. It is available at Deseret Book. It will be an invaluable resource to you.
http://deseretbook.com/store/product?sku=0190509
It doesn't work.

I don't know if they deliver it overseas. If they do it, the cost of the delivery may be in the range of the price.

The main drawback is pure financial.
We are a retired couple in East-Europe. This means that that 45-50 $ has a better place. As grandparents of 16 (+1 in three weeks) I can say that sum have more than a dozen better place.

There is one way to solve. That sum is equal with the tithe of my wife for one month. She pays it but it is out of our family budget. I will try to persuade her to buy this book.
Anyway, it is a pro-mormon literature.
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ludwigm wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Ludwig,
You should get a copy. It is available at Deseret Book. It will be an invaluable resource to you.
http://deseretbook.com/store/product?sku=0190509
It doesn't work.

I don't know if they deliver it overseas. If they do it, the cost of the delivery may be in the range of the price.

The main drawback is pure financial.
We are a retired couple in East-Europe. This means that that 45-50 $ has a better place. As grandparents of 16 (+1 in three weeks) I can say that sum have more than a dozen better place.

There is one way to solve. That sum is equal with the tithe of my wife for one month. She pays it but it is out of our family budget. I will try to persuade her to buy this book.
Anyway, it is a pro-mormon literature.


WOW! congradulations!
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Gazelam wrote:
Wouldn't that also contradict Jacob Chapter Two?


That chapter is about following the living prophet, not about polygamy being wrong.


I think that's what religion really comes down to. Saying God told Joseph Smith to reinstitute polygamy contradicts Jacob Chapter 2 is like saying God telling Nephi to kill Laban contradicts the Old Testament law as well. I really disagree with this assertion that a call for 19th century polygamy contradicts Jacob Chapter 2.
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ajax18 wrote:
Brackite wrote:Hello,
Well, I think and I believe that the Pro-Polygamy revelation, Doctrine and Covenants Section 132, could've have been a 'Revelation' from the devil. Doctrine and Covenants Section 132 is in pretty very much in direct Contradiction to Jacob Chapter Two, in the Book of Mormon. Jacob Chapter two, in the Book of Mormon clearly and fully condemns the Practice of Polygamy. Please Check out and See:

The Book of Mormon condemns the Practice of Polygamy:
http://www.mormondiscussions.com/discus ... php?t=6040


But from a believers perspective, why would the patriarchal fathers be polygamous? Wouldn't that also contradict Jacob Chapter Two?


Hello ajax18,

The Polygamy that was practiced by the Patriarchal Fathers, Abraham and Jacob (Israel), was not the same kind of Polygamy that was practiced by Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball.
Abraham had just three wives. The main reason why Abraham took Hagar to wife, is because Abraham's wife Sarah wasn't able to have a child by Abraham at that time.
Abraham had just three wives throughout his lifetime.
Isaac had just only one wife throughout his lifetime.
Jacob (Israel) had four wives throughout his lifetime.
Moses had just two wives throughout his lifetime.
Brgham Young had over 28 wives throughout his lifetime.
Heber C. Kimball had over 28 wives throughout his lifetime.

The Book of Mormon agrees that the Lord God tolerated the practice of Polygamy, by some of his people in the Old Testament. Here is Jacob 2:26, in the Book of Mormon:

Jacob 2:26:

[26]
Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.



Now Here is the 1828 Webster's Dictionary Definition of the word tolerate:

tolerate

TOL'ERATE, v.t. [L. tolero, from tollo, to lift.] To suffer to be or to be done without prohibition or hinderance; to allow or permit negatively, by not preventing; not to restrain; as, to tolerate opinions or practices.

...

tolerated

TOL'ERATED, pp. Suffered; allowed; not prohibited or restrained.


( http://www.cbtministries.org/resources/webster1828.htm , Bold Emphasis Mine. )



And Please Check Out and Also See:

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/tolerate

And:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suffer


Conclusion: The Book of Mormon totally agrees that the Lord God tolerated the Practice of Polygamy, with some of his people in the Old Testament.
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Isaac had just only one wife throughout his lifetime.


Yeh, Im sure he waited till he was 40 to get married. Rebekah was not his first wife.
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Gazelam wrote:
Isaac had just only one wife throughout his lifetime.


Yeh, I'm sure he waited till he was 40 to get married. Rebekah was not his first wife.


Who was his first wife?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Gazelam wrote:
Isaac had just only one wife throughout his lifetime.


Yeh, I'm sure he waited till he was 40 to get married. Rebekah was not his first wife.


Who was his first wife?


I don't know, but I think it safe to assume that a man in that enviorment and time period and with that belief system would not wait till he was 40 to get married.

Safe and well founded speculation on my part.
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Gazelam wrote:
Isaac had just only one wife throughout his lifetime.


Yeh, I'm sure he waited till he was 40 to get married. Rebekah was not his first wife.


Hello Gazelam,

The Patriarchal Fathers, such as Abraham and Isaac, lived a lot longer than most people do today. The Patriarchal Father Abraham lived until he was 175 Years old. (1) The Patriarchal Father Isaac lived until he was 180 Years old. (2) It is No surprised that Isaac waited until he was 40 Years old, to get married . You have absolutely No evidence whatsoever in the Biblical Record, that Isaac married another woman before he married Rebekah. According to the Biblical Record, Rebekah was the first and only woman that Isaac ever married.

1. Genesis 25:7 - Altogether, Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years. (NIV)

2. Genesis 35:28 - Isaac lived a hundred and eighty years. (NIV)
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tumult wrote:Did he get D&C 132 via the seer stone?


Nope.
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Post by _Gazelam »

According to the Biblical Record, Rebekah was the first and only woman that Isaac ever married.


You are correct. According to the Bible Rebekah was his only wife.
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