antishock8 wrote:I really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the executive and their managers control a population of slaves that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.
I think you need to look up what a slave is before you apply it to members of the Church. Just a suggestion.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
antishock8 wrote:I really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the executive and their managers control a population of slaves that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.
I think you need to look up what a slave is before you apply it to members of the Church. Just a suggestion.
Why is everything you say nonsensical? Weird.
A slave can be "someone entirely dominated by some influence"*, and in this case the Mormon is a slave to the institution, slavishly slaving away like a slave, although not a slave, but enslaved in heart and mind.
antishock8 wrote:I really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the executive and their managers control a population of slaves that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.
I think you need to look up what a slave is before you apply it to members of the Church. Just a suggestion.
Why is everything you say nonsensical? Weird.
A slave can be "someone entirely dominated by some influence"*, and in this case the Mormon is a slave to the institution, slavishly slaving away like a slave, although not a slave, but enslaved in heart and mind.
No, we're not. Maybe you were once but that's a personal problem.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
antishock8 wrote:Well, then quit. Then we'll see who is right.
Tried that already. I'm right.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:Well, that's it then. No more participation in the validity of the Gospel or it's doctrines. Looks like I'm limited to derails and loudly proclaiming my testimony at inappropriate times. Sounds like fun.
While you say this in jest I think really that is Elder Ballard's message.
I'd say that everything else is a waste of time anyhow.
Late I've been thinking that I've really been getting out of touch because of this place. I'm beginning to think I've too busy trying to get along and have therefore bought into sophistries that justify wickedness.
What particular sophistries do you have in mind?
This is a surprising turn of words for someone who was becoming increasingly more thoughtful and measured.
From my POV, you have become a better person participating here, not because you are leaning toward any point of view I favor but because you have given strong evidence of becoming more thoughtful, more reasonable, and less judgmental. I struggle to understand why you think this is bad.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
antishock8 wrote:Well, then quit. Then we'll see who is right.
Tried that already. I'm right.
Uh huh.
Well, glad we got that sorted out.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
antishock8 wrote:I really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the executive and their managers control a population of slaves that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.
I think you need to look up what a slave is before you apply it to members of the Church. Just a suggestion.
Why is everything you say nonsensical? Weird.
A slave can be "someone entirely dominated by some influence"*, and in this case the Mormon is a slave to the institution, slavishly slaving away like a slave, although not a slave, but enslaved in heart and mind.
Such as being dominated by hatred towards a group to which one once belonged?
And inasmuch as my people shall assemble themselves at the Ohio, I have kept in store a blessing such as is not known among the children of men, and it shall be poured forth upon their heads. And from thence men shall go forth into all nations.
antishock8 wrote:Well, then quit. Then we'll see who is right.
Tried that already. I'm right.
Uh huh.
Well, glad we got that sorted out.
Listen. Quit. For good. Show the world you're not enslaved to the Mormon system. If you don't, you're a slave. It's just the way it is. Remember, a really efficient Church would be one in which the Propeht controls members that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.