Can the Fifth Lecture on Faith be agreed to D&C 130

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_Jason Bourne
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You miserably fail to harmonize the lecture quoted in the OP and the later doctrine. Your comments above do not do that. This is because the two cannot be harmonized. I demonstrated this clearly.

Where?


Ummmmm let me see....how about the OP in this thread? The one I referred to above and to which you brightly replied "where?"

My position is much simpler and still fits. I agree that confusion on this issue might ultimately have been the LoF's demise, but we can see from my argument that it need not have been the case.


Hardly

Now for BC this blows a hole in your position that whatever the Church publishes is doctrine.


How so? I've made it clear that because of continuing revelation, doctrine changes. In this case, it changed just as one would expect it too. Line upon line, precept upon precept.


But when continuing revelation contradicts prio revelation which one should a person believe? Such is the case on this topic. God does not have a body and now he does. God was God from all eternity in 1835 and in 1844 the KFD "refutes" that idea.

Here we have something published in canon that Dr Peterson argues was really not doctrinal.

Peterson is not the arbiter of what is and is not LDS doctrine. I'd rather go by the Church's own statements.


You mean your spin on the Church's statements. But it is still clear apologist do not agree on what constitutes doctrine.

And it conflicted with the what was viewed as doctrine for quite some time while the two were published together.


That God is a spirit remains LDS doctrine. We now know that such a spirit also has a physical body. Even we are considered spirits (James 2:26)


This does not work in the context of the Lectures and D&C 130.
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guy sajer wrote:Big surprise. Nobody in the world thinks like you, yet in your mind, the entire world SHOULD think like you, and more, the entire world is wrong not to think like you.

If there were a God, I'd pray to him/her that you would never, ever be called to a position of authority in which you are counseling people who are struggling (as humans do) with such and related issues. Your potential to f*** with vulnerable peoples' minds is unlimited.


People come in to see Bishops because of what they read in the Lectures on Faith? Wow, my Bishop's interviews never go that way. Am I missing out on anything?
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The Nehor wrote:
guy sajer wrote:Big surprise. Nobody in the world thinks like you, yet in your mind, the entire world SHOULD think like you, and more, the entire world is wrong not to think like you.

If there were a God, I'd pray to him/her that you would never, ever be called to a position of authority in which you are counseling people who are struggling (as humans do) with such and related issues. Your potential to f*** with vulnerable peoples' minds is unlimited.


People come in to see Bishops because of what they read in the Lectures on Faith? Wow, my Bishop's interviews never go that way. Am I missing out on anything?


Don't be a simpleton.
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Jason Bourne wrote:Don't be a simpleton.


But I'm so good at it.
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The Nehor wrote:
guy sajer wrote:Big surprise. Nobody in the world thinks like you, yet in your mind, the entire world SHOULD think like you, and more, the entire world is wrong not to think like you.

If there were a God, I'd pray to him/her that you would never, ever be called to a position of authority in which you are counseling people who are struggling (as humans do) with such and related issues. Your potential to f*** with vulnerable peoples' minds is unlimited.


People come in to see Bishops because of what they read in the Lectures on Faith? Wow, my Bishop's interviews never go that way. Am I missing out on anything?


Has it ever occurred to you that your personal experience does not describe the experience for the rest of humanity?
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
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guy sajer wrote:Has it ever occurred to you that your personal experience does not describe the experience for the rest of humanity?


No, I'm genuinely curious here. Do Bishops actually get questions like this?
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The Nehor wrote:
guy sajer wrote:Has it ever occurred to you that your personal experience does not describe the experience for the rest of humanity?


No, I'm genuinely curious here. Do Bishops actually get questions like this?


Have you taken the time to read any of the stories posted all over the internet by former or current, but questioning, Mormons? (I realize that bcspace thinks that they're all lying, but he's an idiot.) There's a lot going on out there that the unquestioning or happy-to-go-along members have no clue about.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
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guy sajer wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
guy sajer wrote:Has it ever occurred to you that your personal experience does not describe the experience for the rest of humanity?


No, I'm genuinely curious here. Do Bishops actually get questions like this?


Have you taken the time to read any of the stories posted all over the internet by former or current, but questioning, Mormons? (I realize that bcspace thinks that they're all lying, but he's an idiot.) There's a lot going on out there that the unquestioning or happy-to-go-along members have no clue about.


Wow.....it's almost enough to make me want to be a Bishop. Not quite though.
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All this process of changing doctrine and evolution of the nature of God seems so strikingly similar to the development of the Nicene creed and the evolution of the early Christian Church but Mormons are the first to call foul on that process and claim that that process was the great apostasy. Hypocrites them Mormons are.

Great thread and posts, Jason nailed it.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably.
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Pokatator wrote:All this process of changing doctrine and evolution of the nature of God seems so strikingly similar to the development of the Nicene creed and the evolution of the early Christian Church but Mormons are the first to call foul on that process and claim that that process was the great apostasy. Hypocrites them Mormons are.


Except we still claimed revelation.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics
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