Sanctity of marriage was under attack 40 years ago

[_Jersey Girl]

I mean, seriously, how is the dog supposed to give consent? One back for yes, two barks for no, three marks for "sorry, babe, I've got a headache"?

LOL. So in one sentance, we have back, bark and mark.

You might want to check this out...;)

I'm sorry but I feel compelled to avenge Angus.

Wrong: sentance
Right: sentence

Time spent composing this post: less than 30 seconds.
Pot-Kettle-Black factor: priceless

[_Jersey Girl]

The problem with that whole "if we give equal protection to gays we have to give to everyone, regardless of common sense" is that it's just a slippery slope fallacy. Worse, it's basically comparing gays to anything from bestiality enthusiasts to pedophiles depending on what flavor of the week the person making the argument is using, which is a straw man

Nowhere in my post did I say that "If we give equal protection to gays we have to give to everyone, regardless of common sense." Not many years ago, Angus, certain sexual practices were prohibited between hetero's as well. Nowhere in my posts have I compared homosexual sex to bestiality. If you disagree, please show me where you see that in my posts.

Show me an example of common sense, Angus.

Where is the line and who draws it?

[_Angus McAwesome]

I mean, seriously, how is the dog supposed to give consent? One back for yes, two barks for no, three marks for "sorry, babe, I've got a headache"?

LOL. So in one sentance, we have back, bark and mark.

You might want to check this out...;)

I'm sorry but I feel compelled to avenge Angus.

Wrong: sentance
Right: sentence

Time spent composing this post: less than 30 seconds.
Pot-Kettle-Black factor: priceless

Oh... Scottie, you need a cold pack for that BURN? Jersey's my new eBFF for that one...

Nowhere in my post did I say that "If we give equal protection to gays we have to give to everyone, regardless of common sense." Not many years ago, Angus, certain sexual practices were prohibited between hetero's as well. Nowhere in my posts have I compared homosexual sex to bestiality. If you disagree, please show me where you see that in my posts.

You didn't have to say it directly, Jesery. You implied just that when you brought up polygamy and bestiality using the "well, if we give gays this right then what if (insert whatever group you can think of here)" argument. Then there's the other implication involved with making that agument...

You're basically comparing gays to whatever group you us for that argument.

Show me an example of common sense, Angus.

Not grabbing a hot soldering iron. Not screwing you sister/brother because the kids that might result might be born mentally deficient (or worse). Not sexing up partners that aren't even in the same genus as you (no kids to worry about, but you could catch fleeas and the animal might bite your wee winky off).

I could go on and on and on...

Where is the line and who draws it?

I'd go with a commitee of well educated secular professionals in disciplines that deal with a given subject, but that's just me.

[_Scottie]

I'm sorry but I feel compelled to avenge Angus.

Wrong: sentance
Right: sentence

Time spent composing this post: less than 30 seconds.
Pot-Kettle-Black factor: priceless

Ok, I earned that one!

[_guy sajer]

"I wonder how long it will be before the world accepts women as equals with men?"

Never.

Put them on a tennis court, golf course, wrestling mat, footrace or soccer field and watch 'equality' at work. The women piss and moan about no opportunity, unfair competition and the like. They are NOT equal to men in many ways. In the same vein put a man on the balance beam and watch him kill himself while the woman takes it in stride and does well.

Each has their own talents and abilities. Equal is a myth.

Did you ever hear of Billy Jean King and Bobby Riggs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean_King

That shoots the hole in your theory as far as the tennis court is concerned. ;)

And, frankly, I think I could probably give you a run for your money at golf. I average right around 78. The guys I play with hate me. LOL

EVERYONE is different, as far as their talents and abilities. The point is, if you are competing for a job, you should obtain that job based on your qualifications, not based on your gender.

As much as I'm an advocate for equal rights, Bobby Riggs was a middle-age waaaay past his prime middling tennis player. BJK was among the best of the female players. Roger Federer against Venus Williams would not be much of a match.

As a general rule, men are bigger, stronger, faster than women, not more skilled, however. Women can hit the ball every bit as well as men, they just cannot hit it with as much power or speed. A reasonably skilled woman athlete could kick my backside in any sport (I'm a decent athlete), and they have, but the elite of the women cannot compete against the elite of the men, nor can the 'typical' woman compete against the 'typical' man in athletics.

[_antishock8]

... nor can the 'typical' woman compete against the 'typical' man in athletics.

Really? That's probably mostly due to socialization rather than circumstance. I really don't see much difference between median female and media male physicality. Is the difference in physicality enough to merit a perpetual social subordinate status? I don't think so...

[_Jersey Girl]

You didn't have to say it directly, Jesery. You implied just that when you brought up polygamy and bestiality using the "well, if we give gays this right then what if (insert whatever group you can think of here)" argument. Then there's the other implication involved with making that agument...

You're basically comparing gays to whatever group you us for that argument.

Angus, I didn't bring up bestiality at all in the example regarding expanding equal protection. Please go back and read my post again. I brought up bestiality ONLY to demonstrate the disparity in the Texas penal code development.

[_Scottie]

Aside from physical attributes, men and women are just different. Which is not the same as unequal. We both have strengths and weaknesses which compliment each other.

I think the problem here is that our patriarical society has determined that the differences mean that women are inferior. Which is just not true. I think both sexes should embrace what makes us unique.

[_Scottie]

Angus, I didn't bring up bestiality at all in the example regarding expanding equal protection. Please go back and read my post again. I brought up bestiality ONLY to demonstrate the disparity in the Texas penal code development.

Jersey Girl, I'm very confused as to what your points are here. I seem to be reading your posts the same way Angus is.

Could we start over and have you plainly detail what you think is wrong with SSM?

[_Jersey Girl]

Angus, I didn't bring up bestiality at all in the example regarding expanding equal protection. Please go back and read my post again. I brought up bestiality ONLY to demonstrate the disparity in the Texas penal code development.

Jersey Girl, I'm very confused as to what your points are here. I seem to be reading your posts the same way Angus is.

Could we start over and have you plainly detail what you think is wrong with SSM?

Sure, Scottie. I have no problem with that at all, I'm infact surprised in your and Angus' take on my posts. The only thing I said I had a problem with was the term "marriage" applied to it. I have no problem with SSM otherwise and stated so clearly on the thread.