Godhood for gramps how about it? (Inquiry only)

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Re: Godhood for gramps how about it? (Inquiry only)

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Jersey Girl wrote:Scottie,

That's why you need a teacher every once in a while. :-) The quote has to do with rejection by a lover.

Your using it carries with it the implication that one of two females on this thread is/was rejected by a lover on this board.

Moniker's post had nothing to do with rejection by a lover.
I'm married and my post had nothing to do with rejection by a lover.

It can be construed as innuendo. It's defammatory.

In other words, not a good thing.

Okay, well, yes, I knew that.

I skewed the meaning a bit, meaning that ever since you were booted as a mod, you have been overly harsh towards Shades for seemingly minor infractions. The chip on your shoulder is as big as Jersey itself!! :)
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Re: Godhood for gramps how about it? (Inquiry only)

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Scottie wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Scottie,

That's why you need a teacher every once in a while. :-) The quote has to do with rejection by a lover.

Your using it carries with it the implication that one of two females on this thread is/was rejected by a lover on this board.

Moniker's post had nothing to do with rejection by a lover.
I'm married and my post had nothing to do with rejection by a lover.

It can be construed as innuendo. It's defammatory.

In other words, not a good thing.

Okay, well, yes, I knew that.

I skewed the meaning a bit, meaning that ever since you were booted as a mod, you have been overly harsh towards Shades for seemingly minor infractions. The chip on your shoulder is as big as Jersey itself!! :)


Next time you refer to a "woman" on a thread where there are two women, you should identify the one you're referring to. Did you read the posts that I made on this thread? I used the mod thing to demonstrate a series of examples to draw on to answer the questions that Shades asked.

Telling the truth, which is in short supply on this board, isn't a chip on one's shoulder, Scottie. It's simply the truth.

Are you reading the board?

There were currently raised questions regarding libel. The kind of attack posts that prompted those questions regarding libel, are the very reason that some posters on this board have reduced or discontinued their participation.

Do you want to see that continue to happen on this board or would you yourself like to see people leave?

I, for one, would like to see people continue to participate.

My replies were to Shades questions. You have no need to accuse me of having a "chip" on my shoulder because I answered his questions directly and didn't BS him.

The very last thing I do is BS people, Scottie.

I've always been straightforward with him. You haven't seen much of it previously, because my only communication with him now is public. That's because I disliked the way he handled something privately and will not communicate with him in that way again.

It's not about me, Scottie, it's about the board and the people on it who feel ignored or disrespected, who have expressed their concerns publicly and privately and feel ignored. That I am outspoken doesn't = chip. I don't operate on a herd mentality and I never will.

I supported this board before it ever went online, Scottie. I continue to support it by reinforcing what others have said and what has gone unaddressed. Without good and intelligent posters, this board is doomed to fail and I'd like to think it's intended purpose is a good one.

And Scottie, I hate to tell you this but Jersey ain't that big.

;-)
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Re: Godhood for gramps how about it? (Inquiry only)

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Ray A wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:delete


Got it before deletion. That was tooooo good not to file.

Don't worry Mon, I won't repost it.


??? You quoted Jersey Girl, not Moniker.

So whose post was too good not to file? Jersey Girl's, or Moniker's?

If Moniker's, then Moniker, do you now agree that you ought not delete your posts so often and should just let the original draft stand?
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I have to say: I have seen a lot of talk about "truth" and "transparency" on this thread, and yet... Both Ray A and Jersey Girl are apparently withholding information. Why might that be, I wonder? I am quite sure that a strong woman like Moniker would be willing to post the full brunt of her opinions on the board. I see no reason why she should be afraid to do so.
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Jersey Girl wrote:This is going to be a long one, so get comfortable (or not). I'm going to make an effort to clear the air here on a number of levels and you can take my words for the straightforward comments that they are or go about believing people who kiss your ass publicly and criticize you privately.


There are people like that?

The other comment that came up most frequently is that you wanted me gone because I'm too outspoken and don't participate in herd mentality. (This post a case in point).


Where on earth did I ever say that?

Likewise, had you paid attention to the PM's we exchanged just prior to your announcing me as a new moderator, you would have remembered that I told you could feel free to terminate me any time. Pay attention to what people tell you. It could save you a month of agonizing b***s***.


If I was free to terminate you at any time, then why did you put up such a wild fight when I actually did so?

In your responses you *claimed that you wanted people happy. When the poll thread and your response to it, proved otherwise. In other words, *you said one thing and did another.


Just because some people wanted you back doesn't mean they were simultaneously unhappy.

Dr. Shades wrote:I could've sworn that people said they'd depart as soon as gramps did, but oh well.


There it is. Instead of "I could've sworn", you could have reviewed the thread. People here know when you've read a thread or not on account of the responses you give. Here the implication is that inspite of your apology to gramps and claims about wanting people to be happy, you don't give a damn enough to click into the thread and review it.


I read lots of threads on a daily basis. I had already read the ones in question. The fact that I don't have a bibliographic memory of precisely who said precisely what at precisely what time doesn't mean I don't give a damn; it merely means I'm only human.

What on earth was I supposed to do? Reach through the monitor and give them 50 lashes with a wet noodle?


No. In the above you appear to think that the only action you could have taken was punitive. You could have done any number of things. How about these for starters:

1. Give them the same speech that you gave to msnobody. Make your speeches applicable to everyone so it appears that posters are given the same treatment (even though I don't agree with the speech).


They'd already heard it.

2. Be a friendly admin who acts on his claim to want people to be happy. "What's been bothering you?" "Is there anything we can do about it" and essentially act like you give the damn you make claim to. Failing to address it in any way, makes you look like you say one thing and do another.


They didn't ask me any questions or otherwise request my input in any way. Who am I to tell them what's right for them in their lives at this time?

No. He's totally gone. He scrambled his account and got out of Dodge.


And you know this. . . how, exactly?

And your remark there makes you look like an arrogant ass who doesn't appreciate a person who served you (and us) well.


I totally appreciate what he did for us. It's just that he'd taken us all down this road before.

When you fail to address the concerns of posters who are expressing their concerns right on the screen, leaves people to feel that their concerns aren't important and that admin is unwilling to hear them out or discuss or validate their concerns in some way. When they feel ignored or unattended to, they come to believe that you care more about the people who attack and cause hardship for people than you do them, they eventually lose interest (up against a brick wall) and begin to reduce their participation and then they leave.


If they don't bring their concerns to me, I have no choice but to conclude that they don't wish for my input.

You are losing posters on this board. They are slipping out right in front of you and when you ignore it, it reinforces all of the above in their minds. Previously, you claimed that you could no longer placate (one or more) people who complained about me as moderator.


As long as this board allows more than one point of view on one or more issues, then this board will be imperfect in at least somebody's mind. If someone concludes that they'd be better served elsewhere, well, there's no accounting for taste.

What effort have you made to placate good and intelligent posters such as those named in these posts? The answer is no effort at all.


No, the answer is that I've already gone the rounds with the speech whose latest recipient was msnobody. They'd all heard it at least once before; it would be a waste of their time to subject them to it again.

Say or think what you will about me. I don't kiss your ass and I never will. If you wish to go on leaving the same sort of impressions on people and essentially making yourself look like a two-faced hypocrite, that's your business.


So if I refrain from wasting people's time, I make myself look like a two-faced hypocrite?

Me, I much prefer truth.


What a lonely road you must travel.

Your board will become over run with people who attack and attempt to disparage others and you'll never see the balanced community that you claim that you hoped for.


When have I ever claimed that I hoped for a balanced community? I only hope for a board where people can discuss Mormonism without fear of censorship, queueing, or banning. Whoever shows up, shows up, balance be damned. You see, as soon as an administrator starts worrying about balance, that's when some posters begin to be valued more than others, which in turn leads to class distinctions. I'd like to keep this the one message board where that doesn't happen.

You've got a board here. Communicate with the people on it.


Your wish is granted.

I likely will not respond to you again on the thread.


Color me skeptical.
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Re: Godhood for gramps how about it? (Inquiry only)

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Mister Scratch wrote: I am quite sure that a strong woman like Moniker would be willing to post the full brunt of her opinions on the board.


**sighs dreamily**

You can't really compare anyone here to Moniker, Scratch.
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Re: Godhood for gramps how about it? (Inquiry only)

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Mister Scratch wrote:I have to say: I have seen a lot of talk about "truth" and "transparency" on this thread, and yet... Both Ray A and Jersey Girl are apparently withholding information. Why might that be, I wonder? I am quite sure that a strong woman like Moniker would be willing to post the full brunt of her opinions on the board. I see no reason why she should be afraid to do so.


Moniker deleted her post after venting. If she wanted it to remain on the thread, I would not withhold it. I respect her wish for it not to remain on the thread, that's all.
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Mister Scratch wrote:I have to say: I have seen a lot of talk about "truth" and "transparency" on this thread, and yet... Both Ray A and Jersey Girl are apparently withholding information. Why might that be, I wonder? I am quite sure that a strong woman like Moniker would be willing to post the full brunt of her opinions on the board. I see no reason why she should be afraid to do so.


Withholding information?

Holy crap, buddy.
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Scratch now knows why I didn't leave the post up. It's no biggie.

I vented and got it out of my system. I'll tell ya what holding in an *ommmm* for 8 months makes one flip out every so often. Yanno we all do want to have someone understand when we're hurt. That's why many are on this board -- to commiserate and heal with others that will validate them and their experience. Hearing someone else say, "Yes, I understand why you're hurt and I understand" is something many of us seek. That's why people talk about the Church they left 20 years ago. So, my lil rage post was to pour out my frustration that someone hurt me and I've sought with limited success other people to recognize the pain a poster here has inflicted upon me -- part of the problem was my unwillingness to tell others about his behavior, yet, others did witness some of it and only a few people saw the behavior as unacceptable. It's sort of like when LDS tell ex-LDS, "Oh, it's not that bad, your experience isn't that bad, you're dramatizing something, move on" etc... It makes one a bit fitful. :)

Yet, now I'm *ommmm* again and plan to stay that way. I deleted the post after venting because I don't want anyone else hurt by my behavior. My pain is mine and I don't want it to seep out to others.

Okay. Cleared that up.

Now watch GoodK go nuts:

ZEUS!


For real, this time: Bye!
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