Would Mormonism be worth it if it were true

[_Some Schmo]

Your first problem is that your ideas of LDS divinity come from a cartoon show. Correct that and maybe you'll have something to discuss.

Actually, my ideas about LDS divinity came from going to an LDS church. The fact that they so closely resemble a cartoon (that came many years later) should tell you something about the quality of those LDS ideas.

What's there to discuss?

[_harmony]

The LDS church is the only church that offers me what I've wanted since I was a small child. I can ignore the rest of it, in order to keep my focus on the eventual goal. I have no desire to be a god/goddess, birth unnumberable children, hide my face, or share a man even if he is a god. I did the bare minimums to get where I need to go after I die. I need no other rewards.

What I want is to be angel. If I can't be an angel, I prefer to be nothing at all. So I live my life in a way that means I won't overshoot or undershoot my mark. I believe God exists and loves me, and will grant me my wish. My family all have the ability to fulfill their own goals. That is mine. And if there is nothing after this life, then I will have lived my life on my terms within the boundaries of my desires, and I'll leave a legacy behind that will at least for a short time remember who harmony was and that she loved them. I can ask no more than that.

[_Some Schmo]

Are you arguing that it isn't true? Or if it was true it still would be a crock?

I thought the hypothetical IF took care of that.

Of course I think it is bogus.

But IF it was true, well, then I guess you could still try and be noble by rejecting it because your mind is slightly more evolved. I don't think that would be very smart, though.

No... you're missing the point. Of course it's not true; that's a given.

But even if this adolescent fantasy about the afterlife was true, it wouldn't matter. It doesn't sound all that great to me, and I've already said why. If it was true, then the afterlife would indeed be bizarro world, a form of insanity, and I'd like to avoid that.

It's not about nobility. It's about practicality.

Is it noble to avoid something you think would suck, or is it practical?

[Guest]

Your first problem is that your ideas of LDS divinity come from a cartoon show. Correct that and maybe you'll have something to discuss.

Actually, my ideas about LDS divinity came from going to an LDS church. The fact that they so closely resemble a cartoon (that came many years later) should tell you something about the quality of those LDS ideas.

What's there to discuss?

From the teaching that there is a place of bliss and glory that one can inhabit with one's family as a family unit (whatever that means) you come to the conclusions that made their way into South Park.

Pretend you're this lady and I'm the librarian and leave out the part where I ask you out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqTE-ig7NhY

Sums up what I think of you and your inane conclusions.

[_GoodK]

Are you arguing that it isn't true? Or if it was true it still would be a crock?

I thought the hypothetical IF took care of that.

Of course I think it is bogus.

But IF it was true, well, then I guess you could still try and be noble by rejecting it because your mind is slightly more evolved. I don't think that would be very smart, though.

No... you're missing the point. Of course it's not true; that's a given.

But even if this adolescent fantasy about the afterlife was true, it wouldn't matter. It doesn't sound all that great to me, and I've already said why. If it was true, then the afterlife would indeed be bizarro world, a form of insanity, and I'd like to avoid that.

It's not about nobility. It's about practicality.

Is it noble to avoid something you think would suck, or is it practical?

If it was true - what option sucks more?

Going to a heaven you think is going to
suck or going to Hell where you know it is going to suck way worse?

[Alf'Omega]

If it was true - what option sucks more?

Going to a heaven you think is going to
suck or going to Hell where you know it is going to suck way worse?

Well, that's the crux of it, isn't it? I don't think not going to the celestial kingdom would suck more.

First of all, the LDS afterlife doesn't include a "hell" (at least, they weren't teaching that when I went to church. Who knows what they're teaching these days?)

The other kingdoms always sounded just fine to me. I don't want multiple wives, I'm not interested in the god job, and I'd rather hang out with rational "spirits." So, the assumption you make that I "know it is going to suck way worse" isn't accurate. You'd have a point if that assumption were correct.

[_Some Schmo]

Duplicate because the stupid Edit and Quote buttons are too close together...

[_Sister Mary Lisa]

…though they will get messages about you from time to time. Another large portion will go to a place where your favourite son can visit them, but not you. A small portion will live with you, those who did what you told them to do, and their sense of justice about this reward comes partly from knowing they were better than the others, and that "justice" was done, and they can spend eternity creating other massive failures. Such a God can only be called an underachiever with flawed ambition.

For the women looking forward to goddesshood, the picture is even worse than the male godhood picture you painted here, which is bad enough. We get to look forward to being unmentioned (oh, I forgot Heavenly Mother IS mentioned in passing in ONE hymn...), and unknown to our children. We will have no say in what scriptures or commandments our children must follow in order to live with us again. We will have no hand in granting them salvation or not. Our wisdom, love, and encouragement will be unavailable to our children, and if any of them dare to pray to us for guidance or to ask us for help, they will be punished by our husband, who WANTS THEM TO HAVE NO CONTACT WITH OR KNOWLEDGE OF US. We will be less important to mention than Satan. Whatevs.

[_ajax18]

What I want is to be angel. If I can't be an angel, I prefer to be nothing at all. So I live my life in a way that means I won't overshoot or undershoot my mark.

Do you have to pay tithing to be an angel?

[_harmony]

What I want is to be angel. If I can't be an angel, I prefer to be nothing at all. So I live my life in a way that means I won't overshoot or undershoot my mark.

Do you have to pay tithing to be an angel?

Yup.