Apostle Christofferson apparently believes in the Flood...

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Re: Apostle Christofferson apparently believes in the Flood...

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[Sethbag]

So, Wheat, you believe that "science" will eventually be proven wrong about the Flood, and that it really did happen, as described in the Bible?

Yes. More or less.

And that "science" will someday be chagrined to find that the variety of languages we have on Earth today started when a people speaking the common Adamic tried to build a tower to reach Heaven, and God confounded all of their languages and dispersed them?

I believe the story of the tower is based in a historical event. I wouldn’t be surprised if the biblical account of the event is not entirely accurate.

[Ray A]

You wouldn't know what skepticism was if it bit you on your ass.

That’s an interestingly worded opinion.

You mean like a "Nephite" seeing 2,500 years into the future? And Christians living the Law of Moses in 600 BC?

I firmly believe in both those things.

Do you wear sandals? I hope so, because you wouldn't have the IQ to tie shoelaces.

That’s an interestingly worded opinion.

[Inconceivable]

But the real unspoken miracle of Noah and the Ark is how he and the entire circle of life crammed into God's floating outhouse survived the flood of crap that sloshed to and fro.

This is a strawman. I don’t believe that Noah even attempted to load one of every species on his ark. I don’t believe that every species was even susceptible to being destroyed by the flood. I think many were. I think Noah attempted to preserve as many useful and otherwise valued species as he could, with the understanding that God would do as He wished with the others.

I don’t believe Noah attempted to save spiders. Or any other insect life, for that matter. Why bother when everyone knows mosquitoes and the like would survive nuclear winter, let alone a little rain shower of 40 days or so.

I believe the story of Noah is based in a historical event. I don’t believe in apostate renditions of what that event consisted of.

[Ray A]

Orson Pratt on Adam in America, and the Ark being built in America:

I think Orson was more right than wrong.

[Persephone]

I don't know any Mormons who don't believe in a universal flood of Noah and the tower of Babel.

I know some. But I don’t agree with them.

[Ray A]
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But by your reckoning, only written scripture is valid?

I agree that bcspace’s position quickly becomes untenable when examined in the full light and complement of LDS doctrine and the principles of continuing revelation as I understand them.
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Re: Apostle Christofferson apparently believes in the Flood...

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Wheat wrote:I love and value science, technology, and intellectual progress of all kinds. But I have a healthy skepticism of science's pretensions to answer all questions. I'm convinced that it is just plain wrong on many things that it trumpets as *proven facts*.
Me too. I hear ya brother.

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Wheat wrote:I don’t believe Noah attempted to save spiders. Or any other insect life, for that matter. Why bother when everyone knows mosquitoes and the like would survive nuclear winter, let alone a little rain shower of 40 days or so.


Tell us the part about how the penguins made it to Antarctica (but not Alaska). And then how the polar bears made it to Alaska (but not Antarctica). No, let me guess! It has something to do with nuclear winter!
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Persephone wrote:I don't know any Mormons who don't believe in a universal flood of Noah and the tower of Babel.


Persephone, do you know where you are? This is Terrestial, where Mormons of all kinds gather... many of us don't believe much of anything in the Old Testament is historical, and that includes the flood, the tower, polygamy, the garden, and the snake.

Have you ever heard of allegory?
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Re: Apostle Christofferson apparently believes in the Flood...

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Dude,

Perhaps the same way Job got to Ninevah ?

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Harmony,

Have you ever heard of allegory?


Ever heard of faithless Heresy?
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Gazelam wrote:Harmony,

Have you ever heard of allegory?


Ever heard of faithless Heresy?


Ever tried to prove Abraham existed, Gaz?
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Re: Apostle Christofferson apparently believes in the Flood...

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Gazelam wrote:Dude,

Perhaps the same way Job got to Ninevah ?


Since when did Job go a-whaling, Gaz? You sure it wasn't Jonah?
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Since when did Job go a-whaling, Gaz? You sure it wasn't Jonah?


DOH !
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Re: Apostle Christofferson apparently believes in the Flood...

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Ray A wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Dude,

Perhaps the same way Job got to Ninevah ?


Since when did Job go a-whaling, Gaz? You sure it wasn't Jonah?


It was Nemo's daddy that was in the belly of the whale!
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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