BKP Predicts the End of the World as We Know It?

[_Ray A]

p.s. When the stuff hits the fan, I'm going to Ray's house.

I got Kettle Chips to go with all that, too. :)

[_Jersey Girl]

p.s. When the stuff hits the fan, I'm going to Ray's house.

I got Kettle Chips to go with all that, too. :)

I'm so there!!!

[_Inconceivable]

It’s about time the Lord taught us a lesson. A great catastrophe is coming. Now I probably shouldn’t say that because then it will happen. But it is going to happen. That’s what it will take to turn our hearts to the Lord. And we will learn from it.

Thanks a pantload, BKP.

What a jerk to make such a blanket assumption and then boast that he has the power to curse my family's day - and that he DID IT

Hoping the bomb drops on your doorstep first and radiates inward.

[_Roger Morrison]

Did someone record this talk? Or was a copy passed out to members?

Hmmm...

I'm all for preparing for a rainy day, living within ones means, etc. etc., but the whole "boy who cried wolf" thing comes to mind. ;-)

I've heard these sorts of warning for years and years and years... I mean after two thousand years of the end of days prophecies it sort of rings hollow.

Not that we aren't going to have a tough few years ahead... but one doesn't need to be a prophet to get this! :-)

~td~

Hi TD, still on my LDS Branch mailing list, I received a copy of the Proclamation from the Branch secretary. I am not surprised. After all, USA is tending to the goodness of Socialism, as has the rest of the fallen world. That's gottabe a sure sign, eh. LOL!!
Roger

[_truth dancer]

It’s about time the Lord taught us a lesson. A great catastrophe is coming. Now I probably shouldn’t say that because then it will happen. But it is going to happen. That’s what it will take to turn our hearts to the Lord. And we will learn from it.

Thanks a pantload, BKP.

What a jerk to make such a blanket assumption and then boast that he has the power to curse my family's day - and that he DID IT

Hoping the bomb drops on your doorstep first and radiates inward.

So... if BKPs word is so mighty that he can say the word and it comes to pass, why doesn't he predict something fabulous ahead? Like within a year there will be no more war? Or we will find the cure for cancer by 2010? Ya know? How about putting that "power" out for something wonderful?

And, let's talk about catastrophes. I think there are plenty in the world right now. He is saying the various earthquakes, tsunamis, and weather related events over the last few years aren't enough? The abuse, sicknesses, and starvation isn't enough? The wars, deaths, and poverty isn't enough?

What sort of "lesson" is BKP talking about here? Is he just talking to members? Or does BKP think only by God coming down and creating havoc will people join the LDS church?

I just seriously don't get this whole mindset.

:-(

~td~

[_The Dude]

You mean 100 cases of nasty, skunky beer that is far too old? Ack! You'd better rethink, and stock something that ages gracefully.

Wine, whiskey, White Star rum, tequila? Good idea, Seth. Who needs food? I won't even know there's a major crisis happening.

If the end of the world happens, you will find me raiding the liquor store instead of the bank. Hard alcohol is very good for trade once cash money looses even symbolic value.

[_harmony]

So... if BKPs word is so mighty that he can say the word and it comes to pass, why doesn't he predict something fabulous ahead?

Because BKP is just a man, speaking as a man, and always has been, although I think he sincerely believes he's one of the Chosen. He speaks of what he remembers, as do we all. He tries to find meaning in what he's learned. He pontificates with the best of them, but even if this actually happened (although I don't for a moment believe it did... this is a talk, not a testimony), he's just drawing conclusions from his own assumptions, not from any divine source.

There will be a recession; this is not anything new. We've had them before. I remember the one in the early 80's. Inflation over 20%. We lost our farm (mainly because my FIL was stupid and wouldn't listen to anyone, but the economy played a part in that). Lines at the gas stations. People buying food instead of toys. It wasn't the end of the world. Neither is this. We'll tighten our belts; we won't buy that new SUV or that new 4000 sf house. We'll make do for a while, and then we'll go back to being the selfish pricks we are in this country, and start blaming the new government for our problems brought on by our own greed and inability to manage our money, since the old will be long gone by then. As a society, we won't have learned a thing, although some of us individually will.

This is a resetting process that occurs whenever greed overrides good sense.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Boyd K. Packer: Supposed transcript from 12 October 2008 talk

Claim
A common e-mail circulated by some members claims to be a transcript of remarks given by President Packer in the Forest Bend Ward in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 12 October 2008. Reportedly, Pres. Packer is quoted as saying that a catastrophic event was looming in the immediate future and that we must get used to making do with what we have or doing without. He is also quoted as saying the world was too dangerous for us to let our children play outside alone.

Response
A FAIR member contacted Church Public Affairs, and received the following response (the words are the FAIR member's, not the Church's):
I was told that while President Packer did indeed speak at the meeting cited, no transcript was made and that the one circulating was done after the talk was given and should not be considered to be authoritative. The following statement was given to me on the matter:
The following First Presidency letter explains the Church’s position on these types of e-mails. The letter was issued on May 13, 2004 and to all Church units and LDS Church leaders. Its subject was:

Statements Attributed to Church Leaders
From time to time statements are circulated among members which are inaccurately attributed to the leaders of the Church. Many such statements distort current Church teachings and are often based on rumors and innuendos. They are never transmitted officially, but by word of mouth, e-mail, or other informal means.

We encourage members of the Church to never teach or pass on such statements without verifying that they are from approved Church sources, such as official statements, communications, and publications. Any notes made when General Authorities, Area Authority Seventies, or other general Church officers speak at regional and stake conferences or other meetings should not be distributed without the consent of the speaker. Personal notes are for individual use only.

True spiritual growth is based on studying the scriptures, the teachings of the Brethren, and Church publications.

President Packer's secretary indicated further that President Packer's message for the world is in last week's [i.e., October 2008] General Conference. If members of the Church want to know what message he would have us hear, we need to listen to that talk, and throw this account of his talk away. President Packer's office cautioned that the talk given on 12 October represented President Packer's personal views, and should not be considered to be doctrine or a statement of the Church's views.

Conclusion
President Packer give did give a talk on the date cited. No approved transcript exists, and it is contrary to the counsel of the Church to circulate or rely on such unofficial accounts, which often distort or misunderstand (even if unintentionally) the intent of the speaker.
When prophets and apostles wish to communicate important information for the spiritual or temporal well-being of members, they will do so via official channels to the entire Church, not in small meetings from which we must rely on unverified accounts to receive their message.

[_harmony]

Conclusion
President Packer give did give a talk on the date cited. No approved transcript exists, and it is contrary to the counsel of the Church to circulate or rely on such unofficial accounts, which often distort or misunderstand (even if unintentionally) the intent of the speaker.
When prophets and apostles wish to communicate important information for the spiritual or temporal well-being of members, they will do so via official channels to the entire Church, not in small meetings from which we must rely on unverified accounts to receive their message.

I think Packer should give a talk about how to keep testimonies short. Sounds to me like he hogged the time, so others didn't get a chance to bear their testimonies.

[_The Dude]

Well, that does little to change my mind, LOAP. I'm still going to the liquor store on my way home from work.