Racism and Mormonism

[_bcspace]

How come they are found as the root of most of the world's problems today?

One word: religion

So liberals are found as the root of many of religion's problems? I can agree with that.

[_bcspace]

Speaking of retarded, you just have to stop confusing "big C communism" and totalitarianism with progressive secular democracy. Left of center thinking in the US is on the right of much of Europe and is light years from communism.

Progressive democracy, Social democracy, it's all the same path to the big C by definition, just more slowly and carefully......afterall, the revolutions of the 20th century failed, let's just lull them to sleep this time....

[_Droopy]

This reasoning is left-wing mythology.

It seems your whole mental world is organised around one central bogeyman.


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[_Droopy]

How come they are found as the root of most of the world's problems today?

One word: religion

No. One term: politics as religion.

[_Tarski]

Religion is better than left-wing Liberalism.

Hardly

[Guest]

Speaking of retarded, you just have to stop confusing "big C communism" and totalitarianism with progressive secular democracy. Left of center thinking in the US is on the right of much of Europe and is light years from communism.

Since no democrat or anyone on the left of US politics has anything to do with the ideals of say Stalinism or Maoism (it sounds hilarious to even say it out loud), you are just fighting a fantasm. There is nothing there!

What is "secular democracy"?

The fundamental reason American anti anti-communism developed among the American liberal-left is because, though opposed to totalitarianism and Stalinism, neither the modern American Left nor its European counterparts could ever really separate themselves from the fundamental premises lying at the foundation of the utopian socialist systems; the ideal of the perfectibility of man through politics, that human nature is infinitely plastic and malleable, that material, economic relations are the basis for all human striving and meaning, and the overarching ideal of equality of condition as the highest state of economic, social, and political order.

These, as Hayek pointed out, will lead eventually, if carried to their full fruition, to the very regimented society and repressive police state such liberals fear. There is no other way if such goals are truly to be realized and if such ideological notions are actually taken seriously.

[_Tarski]

Speaking of retarded, you just have to stop confusing "big C communism" and totalitarianism with progressive secular democracy. Left of center thinking in the US is on the right of much of Europe and is light years from communism.

Progressive democracy, Social democracy, it's all the same path to the big C by definition,

Besides being absurd, this shows that you do not know the meaning of the phrase "by definition".

One may as well assert that chocolate leads to heroin "by definition". LOL

Hint: Bachelors are unmarried by definition.

[_Droopy]

Besides being absurd, this shows that you do not know the meaning of the phrase "by definition".

One may as well assert that chocolate leads to heroin "by definition". LOL

Hint: Bachelors are unmarried by definition.

To socialize is to collectivize, and collectivism, taken to its logical and conceptual conclusion, will be realized as commune-ism; as a fully collectivized society in which individual liberty and uniqueness must by utterly leveled to a lowest common denominator norm (otherwise, fully equality could not possibly be realized).

There is no such thing as democratic socialism. Socialism is, by its very nature, non-democratic (as its prime directive is equality as a material/social fact or state of existence, not individual liberty under the principle of equality under the law), and hence, to the degree any society is democratic, it is democratic, and to the extent socialist, socialist, but the two cannot be mixed together as they are mutually exclusive in both intention and the necessary societal conditions required to make them work.

[_Tarski]

To socialize is to collectivize, and collectivism, taken to its logical and conceptual conclusion, will be realized as commune-ism; .

Wordplay instead of reasoning.

There is no such thing as democratic socialism. Socialism is, by its very nature, non-democratic (as its prime directive is equality as a material/social fact or state of existence, not individual liberty under the principle of equality under the law), and hence, to the degree any society is democratic, it is democratic, and to the extent socialist, socialist, but the two cannot be mixed together as they are mutually exclusive in both intention and the necessary societal conditions required to make them work.

Mere blustering assertion as usual.

For kicks why don't you start by explaining what is wrong with "equality as a material/social fact". Start with the "united order" please.

[_Danna]

To socialize is to collectivize, and collectivism, taken to its logical and conceptual conclusion, will be realized as commune-ism; as a fully collectivized society in which individual liberty and uniqueness must by utterly leveled to a lowest common denominator norm (otherwise, fully equality could not possibly be realized).

There is no such thing as democratic socialism. Socialism is, by its very nature, non-democratic (as its prime directive is equality as a material/social fact or state of existence, not individual liberty under the principle of equality under the law), and hence, to the degree any society is democratic, it is democratic, and to the extent socialist, socialist, but the two cannot be mixed together as they are mutually exclusive in both intention and the necessary societal conditions required to make them work.

Is it not possible to balance the two imperatives?