Went through the Temple last week...

[_Ray A]

Okay...so you have some deep-seated prejudices against religionist. But, I am not sure what value there is in you sharing that with me, or what pertinence it has to the subject of this thread.

So did Jesus. What do you think of a man who saves an adulterer from stoning, yet calls "religionists" "serpents and vipers"?

[_Ray A]

What's wrong with God initiated evolution? Methinks atheism is the only argument you have.

Funny how none of these arguments have ever turned me atheist. Religion will turn me atheist faster than the speed of light, not science.

[_bcspace]

So did Jesus. What do you think of a man who saves an adulterer from stoning, yet calls "religionists" "serpents and vipers"?

Those particular "religionists" claimed to worship Jehovah (Jesus) yet did not keep his commandments. Where is the problem?

What's wrong with God initiated evolution? Methinks atheism is the only argument you have.

Funny how none of these arguments have ever turned me atheist. Religion will turn me atheist faster than the speed of light, not science.

So you are religious yourself? Funny how the LDS Church has more details than any other Christian church yet you still complain.

[_Ray A]

So you are religious yourself? Funny how the LDS Church has more details than any other Christian church yet you still complain.

No, I am not religious. Is God religious?

Anyone can invent "details" to fill in the gaps, then claim that God wants them to hand their wife over to "the prophet".

[_Ray A]

Where is the problem?

The problem is that BC and many other Mormons live in Disneyland. You never see a problem, because you're defending the indefensible to justify yourself.

So, BC, if Mormonism was theoretically a fraud, what would you do???

Want to die?

[_wenglund]

I haven't formulated an opinion one way or another on those spiritually inconsequential notions. Why do you ask?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Because it fits my theory, Wade, that you're rational enough to see the absurdities, but you hang on to Mormonism for "moral, ehtical, spiritual" reasons, but when asked to justify absurdity, just like most Mormons, including DCP, you back away from explanations. It's a "spiritual thing".

Okay...so it fits your "theory". But, as the ultimate authority on what I may or may not view as absurdities, I can asure you that your "theory" is incorrect in my case, if not also DCP's. What you may rationally view as absurd is not what DCP and I rationally view as absurd. It is not that we are trying to justify absurdities or backing away from explanations, it is just that we view things differently than you. We don't presuppose the same things to be absurdities as you. Can you understand and accept that?

Besides, there is a reason I (and perhaps DCP) supposedly "hang on to Mormonism", and that is because I (or we) have found it to be the very best spiritual means for satisfying the basic human need to become the very best person possible and to attain a fulness of joy and love with others.

For me, the restored gospel of Christ "works" in fulfilling its intents and mission. If it didn't, and were I to find that there was better means to the stated end (i.e becoming like Christ), then I would happily leave and pursue it.

But, to each their own.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_bcspace]

So you are religious yourself? Funny how the LDS Church has more details than any other Christian church yet you still complain.

No, I am not religious.

Well, grammatically, it sounded like you hadn't turned atheist yet.

Is God religious?

Yes. He is LDS.

Anyone can invent "details" to fill in the gaps, then claim that God wants them to hand their wife over to "the prophet".

What filling in of the gaps caused this?

The problem is that BC and many other Mormons live in Disneyland.

Never been there though I served in LA close by.

You never see a problem, because you're defending the indefensible to justify yourself.

Such as?

So, BC, if Mormonism was theoretically a fraud, what would you do???

Theoretically? Nothing.

Want to die?

No. My life is just fine though I fear death less and less as I get older.

[_wenglund]

Okay...so you have some deep-seated prejudices against religionist. But, I am not sure what value there is in you sharing that with me, or what pertinence it has to the subject of this thread.

So did Jesus. What do you think of a man who saves an adulterer from stoning, yet calls "religionists" "serpents and vipers"?

Since Jesus was and is a "religionist", I can't see him making the same kind of universal condemnation of "religionists" as you. Certainly, he didn't consider himself or his faithful disciples to be "serpents and vipers"?

But, I still don't see what your personal prejudices have to do with the subject of this thread, let alone what value they may be to me.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Ray A]

Okay...so it fits your "theory". But, as the ultimate authority on what I may or may not view as absurdities, I can asure you that your "theory" is incorrect in my case, if not also DCP's. What you may rationally view as absurd is not what DCP and I rationally view as absurd. It is not that we are trying to justify absurdities or backing away from explanations, it is just that we view things differently than you. We don't presuppose the same things to be absurdities as you. Can you understand and accept that?

Can you accept that the cow jumped over the moon? Or that Santa Claus will really, really, come down your chimney this Xmas. Be truthful.

Besides, there is a reason I (and perhaps DCP) supposedly "hang on to Mormonism", and that is because I (or we) have found it to be the very best spiritual means for satisfying the basic human need to become the very best person possible and to attain a fulness of joy and love with others.

Which includes denying perfectly legitimate civil rights to other people. Some "charity". All of course viewed through the lens of your "religious worldview".

For me, the restored gospel of Christ "works" in fulfilling its intents and mission. If it didn't, and were I to find that there was better means to the stated end (i.e becoming like Christ), then I would happily leave and pursue it.

For some people "becoming like Christ" can be like starting an inquisition. The Inquisitors really thought they were "doing God's work". "I will become like Christ, and I will straighten out Gay people with electrotherapy". Very Christlike. Don't read the scientific literature, let's shock them into being "Christlike".

But, to each their own.

No, not as long as it fosters absurdity. We could also say to child molesters, "each to their own".

[_Ray A]

Yes. He is LDS.

No. My life is just fine though I fear death less and less as I get older.

If I was Mormon I wouldn't fear death either. It would be quick relief from the torture of having to believe and live such absurdity.